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rtsv_dancro 
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I am a rookie rem start installer. I have never worked on a vehicle using a mux wiring system. I am installing an Autopage RS-665 and an idatalink Ads-al ca on an 08 Dodge Ram 2500 Diesel. All alarm features work great, however.... 

my 1st problem is hooking up the 665. Most of the typical wires (i.e. acc 1, ign 1, acc 2, starter, etc.) do not exist. so, getting the 665 to even begin the crank sequence is not happening. I just don't have enough expertise to troubleshoot this install. I did take some 8 ga. wire and ran it from the battery for my constant power, due to the smallness of the wires in the ignition harness. I know I haven't provided very much info here. I was just wondering if there's any info on what to do with some of these wires on the rem start unit.

also, I've had alot of trouble with these idatalink modules and the weblink updater. i've tried 4 cables and 2 modules and cannot get any computer to recognize the module. Anyone else having problems with these units?

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why dont you start by painting us a picture of how you have things wired right now.
rtsv_dancro 
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Well, i have the idatalink wire in properly... at least as far as the manual says. As far as the 665, I have the 12volt and ground wires connected. what, on the 665 has to be connected in order for it to send a command to start?

the ignition wire is hooked into the idatalink. the ign 2 wire is hooked to the pink/white wire in vehicle. the starter wire and acc wire  are not connected. the starter wire on this vehicle is the same as the accessory wire, which is the mux wire. but, when i test the mux wire, it doesn't give 12 volts at any time, like an acc or starter wire would. I don't know why, but i cannot figure this one out.

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i did an autopage the other day for the first time so im not very knowledgeable on that but the one i installed needed to have the tach or voltage learned before it would even try to activate the remote start
the mux wire works by sending a ground through resistors. one resistor value will activate the acc circuit and another resistor value will activate the 2nd starter. does your bypass just take care of the antitheft or does it hook to the mux wire also to take care of the acc and 2nd starter also. if not then you will probably need to do this but you might need different resistor values for your truck. dont sweat it that this truck id giving you problems, it is a real PITA vehicle to do remote start on so just take your time and do it right. i will try to check make sure those resistor values are right for your truck.
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ok, this should be the right diagram 08 dodge ram
and here is the audiovox tech sheet
     Battery          LIGHT BLUE/RED          (+)          IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS          
     Ignition 1          PINK/WHITE          (+)          IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS          
     Ignition 2          PINK/GREEN          (+)          IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS          
     Accessory 1          VIOLET/BROWN          (-)          IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS          
     Starter 1          YELLOWGRAY          (+)          AT MODULE UNDER HOOD          
     Starter 2          VIOLET/BROWN          (-)          IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS          
     Anti-Theft Type          DAIMLER SENTRY KEY® VEHICLE IMMOBILIZER          
     Anti-Theft Descript          THE KEY SENDS AN RF SIGNAL TO THE BCM MODULE THROUGH AN ANTENNA LOCATED AROUND THE IGNITION CYLINDER          
     Key Sense          VIOLET/BROWN          (-)          IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS          
     Tachometer          DARK BLUE/GRAY          (AC)          AT PCM MODULE ON PASSENGER SIDE FIREWALL          
     Speed Sense          DARK GREEN/ BROWN          (AC)          AT PCM MODULE ON PASSENGER SIDE FIREWALL          
     Parking Lights          WHITE/ LIGHT GREEN          (-)          AT VEHICLE LIGHT SWITCH          
     Brake Lights          WHITE/ TAN          (+)          AT SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL          
     Reverse Lights          WHITE/ LIGHT GREEN          (+)          IN HARNESS UNDER HOOD ON DRIVER FENDER          
     Horn          DARK GREEN/ VIOLET          (-)          IN HARNESS AT STEERING COLUMN          
     Databus          WHITE/ ORANGE          (DATA)          IN HARNESS AT STEERING COLUMN
make sure to test and verify each wire you connect to because i have had problems with audiovox tech sheets not matching up with the wires in the car
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bro, thanks sooo much for the help! you're a lifesaver for sure! i will print all this stuff out for tomorrow. being that the weblink updater was bad and i just got a new one in, i have to get back on this install in the morning.
yeah, i've done a few rem starts, but this one has been the worst thing i've ever encountered in my limited span of time doing them.
thanks again. you've definitely made a new dedicated "the12volt" member outta me!
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2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.BatteryLIGHT BLUE/RED(+)IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.Ignition 1PINK/WHITE(+)IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.Ignition 2PINK/GREEN(+)IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS...NOT ON ALL MODELS, BUT IF PRESENT MUST BE ENERGIZED TO AVOID CHECK ENGINE LIGHT2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.Accessory 1VIOLET/BROWN(-)IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.Starter 1YELLOWGRAY(+)AT MODULE UNDER HOOD...NOT FOR REMOTE START, USE STARTER2, 2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.Starter 2VIOLET/BROWN(-)IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS...

If the starter bumps on a key-takeover when remote started, you must interrupt the Violet/

Brown MUX wire from the ignition cylinder and wire a relay

2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.Anti-Theft TypeDAIMLER SENTRY KEY® VEHICLE IMMOBILIZER
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.Anti-Theft DescriptTHE KEY SENDS AN RF SIGNAL TO THE BCM MODULE THROUGH AN ANTENNA LOCATED AROUND THE IGNITION CYLINDER
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.Key SenseVIOLET/BROWN(-)IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.TachometerDARK BLUE/GRAY(AC)AT PCM MODULE ON PASSENGER SIDE FIREWALL
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.Speed SenseDARK GREEN/ BROWN(AC)AT PCM MODULE ON PASSENGER SIDE FIREWALL
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.Parking LightsWHITE/ LIGHT GREEN(-)AT VEHICLE LIGHT SWITCH...MUST ISOLATE FROM THE SWITCH WITH A RELAY DUE TO A REST RESISTANCE FORM THE SWITCH, USE A 1.1K OHM RESISTOR2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.Brake LightsWHITE/ TAN(+)AT SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.Reverse LightsWHITE/ LIGHT GREEN(+)IN HARNESS UNDER HOOD ON DRIVER FENDER
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.HornDARK GREEN/ VIOLET(-)IN HARNESS AT STEERING COLUMN
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.DatabusWHITE/ ORANGE(DATA)IN HARNESS AT STEERING COLUMN

2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.Door Lock CircuitLIGHT GREEN/ ORANGE(-)IN HARNESS IN DRIVER KICKPANEL...USE A 2K OHM RESISTOR FOR LOCK, 480 OHM RESISTOR FOR UNLOCK, 2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.Power UnlockVIOLET/DARK GREEN(-)IN HARNESS IN DRIVERS KICKPANEL...USE 330 OHM RESISTOR FOR UNLOCK2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.PowerLockVIOLET/DARK GREEN(-)IN HARNESS IN DRIVERS KICKPANEL...USE 820 OHM RESISTOR FOR LOCK2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.LF Window UpORANGE / LIGHT GREEN(REV)AT DRIVER WINDOW SWITCH
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.LF Window DnORANGE / WHITE(REV)AT DRIVER WINDOW SWITCH
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.RF Window UpORANGE / TAN(REV)IN HARNESS IN DRIVER KICKPANEL TO DOOR
2008 Dodge Ram Remote Start Not Starting -- posted image.RF Window DnORANGE / GRAY(REV)IN HARNESS IN DRIVER KICKPANEL TO DOOR

same as sound posted...Just added the notes...!

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rtsv_dancro 
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thanks alot bro! lol, notes are always helpful....
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ks audio 
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Is this the same for a 2008 dodge Ram 2500 mega cab.
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pretty much the same stuff as my 06 and I'm having same troubles.  The audiovox paper that soundnsecurity posted is different than what I have seen so if all els fails, I may have to try that. 
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