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howie (aka: harryharris)
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Posted: March 08, 2014 at 9:15 AM / IP Logged  
Go to relay section, 5 wire that's the equivalent alternately and far safer use a window close/vent/open system like DEI 530t.
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Posted: March 08, 2014 at 9:29 AM / IP Logged  
Thanks for the quick reply.The 5 wire relay page I am aware of. The Spal window kit doesn't need relays really. The window switch in the kit throws (reverses) the polarity. I was trying to integrate the remote device using negative ground pulse with the kit without having to buy another unit since I have extra relays.
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Posted: March 08, 2014 at 10:20 AM / IP Logged  
True, the Spal kit doesn't need relays to function as is, but if you want to control the windows as you described without a window module, you will need them.
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Posted: March 08, 2014 at 10:34 AM / IP Logged  
Which is exactly what I was getting at. 5 wire or reverse current or relay interrupt as applied to locks is exactly the same as standard window wiring.
I won't get into it here but those SPAL switches can be turned into a 3 wire NEG switching and fire up relays. All you have to do then is to diode join (1N4004) band away from relay with your alarm outputs and there you go, wired as "add actuators".
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Posted: March 08, 2014 at 10:36 AM / IP Logged  
To finish there are quite a few ways of doing this BUT you'll need 2 x 5 pin relays for each window.
Still easier to use a pair of 529ts to close or 530t as mentioned above.
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Posted: March 08, 2014 at 12:43 PM / IP Logged  
Could I use a diode from window switch to motor and a diode on remote feed (ground pulse) going to motor to isolate what seems as low voltage feeding back to the switch?
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Posted: March 08, 2014 at 2:08 PM / IP Logged  
After rolling over this whole setup I am thinking it is best to go with an upgrade on my remote system that will give me all the choices I have mentioned plus provide me with remotest control. My old remote system only gives me 4 outputs (all negative ground) and I am looking for a new controller with remotes that will give me more outputs with varying polarity on the outputs. This would be to control windows(2), door locks(2) and maybe one or two other devices. I am open to suggestions {cheap Chinese systems :) } and thanks forf all the input .
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Posted: March 08, 2014 at 2:28 PM / IP Logged  
Applying a diode simply won't work. the reason being that motor wires rest on ground then one side goes to 12V+ while the other side stays on ground, then it changes over. You will need 20 amp diodes and since the motor wires alternate POS and NEG you will either blow the diodes and or the motors will cease to function.
That WON'T control the windows I suggest you read the relay section and try to understand "permanent magnet motors" and how they work before attempting this. The four NEG outputs you have now are more than adequate to control locks and winds if you add relays and or closers.
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Posted: March 08, 2014 at 2:50 PM / IP Logged  
I knew the diode question was a "Hail Mary". Thanks for the input. I'm leaning towards a control unit at this point to do all the switching..
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Posted: March 09, 2014 at 11:27 AM / IP Logged  
Well. I finally got it all figured out with relays. Thanks to the guys and info here. I did a bunch of reading and was able to map out the wiring. Now all I have to do is modify that Spal switch to 3 way as mentioned earlier. I just need to break the ground normals on the Spal switch at rest and use the motor side of the switch as negative pulse instead of positive.
Thanks for the inspiration.
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