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Express dball 2 and Viper 5706v Wiring


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howie (aka: harryharris)
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Posted: March 02, 2014 at 9:02 AM / IP Logged  
No point.
This would be exactly the same as using the +ACC wire at H3/3.
Incidentally on a gasoline engine the ACC doesn't cut in until the engine is running.
You're making unnecessary complications and failure points for the future.
First principle is KISS. Keep it simple, stupid!
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thrue1 
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Posted: March 02, 2014 at 11:43 AM / IP Logged  
Just want to make sure that I can right?
What I am trying to achieve is that car remote start duration for 1st setting is 12 min, so I start start car with remote start and let it warm up for 6 min, and when I am about to enter car I turn on AUX channel 2 with my remote and if I keep the fan knob at 4 setting, I get instant warm air, thus if I enter car at 11 min , it be nice and warm,   And I will have saved initial load / wear on engine and other components.
I would like to do this.... Please help me out...
My logic is that if I install with a timer delay then i am not in control, but if I keep on AUX channel, even if I forget to turn on the channel, even if it is on let's say knob 2 setting, when I insert key into the ignition, the normal ignition system will still kick on power to accessory wire, because my remote accessory output is just an added source, I mean it's not cut like starter wire.....
howie (aka: harryharris)
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Posted: March 02, 2014 at 11:49 AM / IP Logged  
Of course you can do it that way, aux to 85, 12V+ fused at 30 amps to 86 and 87, 30 to ACC.
Diode across coil* 1N4004, band to 86.
*Prevents relay shutdown spike (c. 200volts) affecting your remote start.
Really can't see the point in all this though, as I said before all HVAC systems are delayed until the engine has been running a short period of time.
You're going to a lot of bother to duplicate your engine management.
Test before boxing up.
thrue1 
Copper - Posts: 77
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Posted: March 02, 2014 at 12:00 PM / IP Logged  
Can I just use the accessory output like this:
85: -200mA AUX 1 let's say , latched until reset
86: Accessory output (ORANGE) coming from remote start of viper.
87: Same accessory output wire(orange ).
30: another same gage wire going to car accessory wire
This way I don't need fuses? Not sure..
Please kindly comment
howie (aka: harryharris)
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Posted: March 02, 2014 at 12:17 PM / IP Logged  
Yes.
Test before boxing up.
thrue1 
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Posted: March 02, 2014 at 12:37 PM / IP Logged  
So that's even simpler and get the full effectiveness I am looking for.   
One last question to confirm:
No fuses or diodes needed if I use the accessory output to power the relay in the above setup?
I am all square after this I think , thanks so much.
howie (aka: harryharris)
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Posted: March 02, 2014 at 1:06 PM / IP Logged  
Diode 1N4004 across 85 and 86 for reasons stated above.
Test before boxing up.
thrue1 
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Posted: March 02, 2014 at 2:07 PM / IP Logged  
freqsounds wrote:
Yes, all three of those wires get connected to +12V constant.
The ignition is controlled through Ignition1 and Ignition2 on the remote start. Your starter wire is a different story.
You have the Starter wire (violet) on the remote start unit. You will need a relay for the car's Starter2.
Pin 85 - Ground
Pin 86 - Starter from alarm (violet)
Pin 30 - Starter 2 on car
Pin 87 - +12V constant - Make sure you install a fuse. 20A should be sufficient.
Never tie both of the starter wires together.
You don't need a DBALL and an iDataLink module. They both do the same thing. You'll have to pick one for your install. ;)
Here I won't need a diode on 86 correct?
howie (aka: harryharris)
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Posted: March 02, 2014 at 2:13 PM / IP Logged  
Except that will cause feedback across the two starters causing problems and fault codes to appear which belies the last comment on the freqsounds post. Wire it thus:-
H2 violet yellow (-) to 85
Fused 30 amps to 86 and 87
2nd starter from 30.
And yes the good old 1N4004 across 85 and 86,
band to 86.
Test before boxing up.
thrue1 
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Posted: March 02, 2014 at 2:15 PM / IP Logged  
Can u please explain when you say across 85 and 86?
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