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5704v to dball2 d2d and no remote start


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howie ll 
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Posted: July 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM / IP Logged  
So what's the answer, original connections as D2D and yes LED stayed red on DB but I got IGN+ at grey/black on blue plug.5704v to dball2 d2d and no remote start - Page 6 - Last Post -- posted image.
wth are we going wrong????
catback 
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Posted: July 24, 2014 at 12:29 PM / IP Logged  
If I was DEI tech support I would tell you that you didn't hook up everything so I can't help you.
It's really quite simple, if you try to cheat then you do minimal work/effort to do so but if minimal doesn't work then you add more effort and if it still doesn't work you add more and this continues until you either have success at cheating or your no longer cheating and putting in your all.
howie ll 
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Posted: July 24, 2014 at 12:35 PM / IP Logged  
I'll wait until I go baor more likely get another to do of the same type.
I know I've done correct wiring to use as an alarm not remote start so.........
Like you I test and verify each stage before wrapping up.
As an example I did a van sold here as a GM, Renault and Nissan, built in the UK from French parts. Siren (grounded locally) and hood switch, test inside vehicle before closing hood.
Test all load area and cab domelights via the pin switches first, etc. etc. So where did we BOTH go wrong on this vehicle?
howie ll 
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Posted: July 24, 2014 at 12:43 PM / IP Logged  
Only other thing I can think of is I looked at the EVO-ALL diagram, even had a chat with a Fortin tech about it, he'll remember me because we support rival London (UK) soccer teams!
Assuming and I use the word loosely, that Fortin and DEI use the same colours, the Fortin wires going to the vehicle CAN are different colours though that may well be a red herring.
This is one instance where I'd actually trust DEI to get it right, VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat were the first manufacturer they designed the original CAN-1 for and they have a crew dedicated to doing the firmware for Euro cars in Romania.
catback 
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Posted: July 25, 2014 at 1:08 AM / IP Logged  
howie ll wrote:
So where did we BOTH go wrong on this vehicle?
What you think is for alarm and what is for remote start is where I think you both went wrong. The bypass (this DBAll or any of the others) are all wired to three start/stop wires, and one keysense.
You'd think these would all be outputs from the DBAll as they all go the ignition but just as the remote start harness on the 5704 things are not all so one sided. Even if you don't use the remote start on the 5704 you would still connect the ignition wire on the RS harness to the ignition. Now you know this and you know why but someone who doesn't fully know how the wires are used could make many arguments why they don't need the remote start harness or any of it's wires/connections when they only are setting up the alarm on the 5704 and then they would be on here trying to figure out why the 5704 works but doesn't program.
All I can say is Fortin lists the start/stop wires as (+), diode isolates, and ties the three of them into one connection. That connection on the DBall lists as a (-) so take that as you will. Three positive trigger wires that all are triggered together at once by a negative output - do you really think that's the case? Also a wire listed as keysense, on a push-to-start? Do you really think that would be an output from the DBall on a push-to-start vehicle?
Those are my thoughts on the subject from afar as well as it's easier to hook-up all wires that can be hooked up and not need them than it is to troubleshoot what's broken.
howie ll 
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Posted: July 25, 2014 at 1:15 AM / IP Logged  
You're right I caught the POS NEG think and I take your point about not needing the starter wires. The vehicle wires in question are positive by the way and the DB-ALL gives a POS output on the grey/black wire.
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