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kreg357 
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Posted: August 24, 2014 at 8:55 PM / IP Logged  

Yes.  The assumption from your testing and symptoms is that the small Pink wire is not activating the Ignition Relay.  If you cut the Pink wire and replace it with a similar output function wire, you should be able to get the Ignition relay output working properly again and remote start the vehicle.  The (-) 3rd Ignition output is the same and as long as it is generated totally separate from the Pink wire circuit, all should be good.

So cut the thin Pink in an accessible area and splice in the H3/2 Blue/Black on the side that goes to the relay.  At this point the thin Pink isn't doing anything and the Blue/Black is controlling the relay.

Soldering is fun!
mike leiter 
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Posted: August 24, 2014 at 8:58 PM / IP Logged  
kreg357 wrote:

Yes.  The assumption from your testing and symptoms is that the small Pink wire is not activating the Ignition Relay.  If you cut the Pink wire and replace it with a similar output function wire, you should be able to get the Ignition relay output working properly again and remote start the vehicle.  The (-) 3rd Ignition output is the same and as long as it is generated totally separate from the Pink wire circuit, all should be good.

So cut the thin Pink in an accessible area and splice in the H3/2 Blue/Black on the side that goes to the relay.  At this point the thin Pink isn't doing anything and the Blue/Black is controlling the relay.

Thanks and will do in the mornings and see if that works. Thanks again for all the help.
mike leiter 
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Posted: August 25, 2014 at 8:06 AM / IP Logged  
Checked this morning and yes - output at the BLACK/ blue 3rd ignition wire.
Cut the small pink wire from 5 way ribbon a few inches from relay and tied the BLACK/ blue wire to the pink wire heading to relay.
Tried remote start and it turns over as usual but engine does not fire still.
catback 
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Posted: August 25, 2014 at 8:16 AM / IP Logged  
Does the relay and/or ignition come on?
mike leiter 
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Posted: August 25, 2014 at 8:41 AM / IP Logged  
Relay clicks and then ignition kicks over but truck wont fire. I separated the relays so I can hold each one individually to verify they click. They slip fit into each other to create the 4 bank of 4 relays normally.
howie ll 
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Posted: August 25, 2014 at 8:42 AM / IP Logged  
Check input red? And output violet/purple? from that relay.
catback 
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So are you saying the relay with the small yellow wire is working now and it's properly powering up the ignition...better than before when the relay wasn't clicking?
If the above is working and good, then try remote starting with the key in the ignition but left off. If it works that way then something is awry with your 555f setup.
mike leiter 
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Posted: August 25, 2014 at 9:27 AM / IP Logged  
That relay does not have a PURPLE / violet wire with the pink one. The purple wire is on another relay
This may help
Relay 1
87    Fused large red wire also connected to Relay 2-87
86    Red wire-connected in series to 1,2,3,4-86
30    Large Pink with white trace
85    Med size pink wire also connected to 85 on Relay 2
Relay 2
87    Connected to Relay 2 through fused red wire
86    Red wire-connected in series to 1,2,3,4-86
30    Solid pink large wire
87a   Yellow wire from 5 wire ribbon.
85    Small pink wire from 5 wire ribbon cable also connected to relay 1-85. This is also has tap to bright pink wire running to bank of two relays
Relay3
87    Connects to second large Red Fused wire
86    Red wire-connected in series to 1,2,3,4-86
30    Large orange wire
85    Small orange wire from 5 wire ribbon cable
Relay4
87   Connected to Relay 3 fused wire
86   Small red wire from 5 wire ribbon then Red wire-connected in series to 1,2,3,-86 also
30   Large Purple wire
85   Small purple wire from 5 wire ribbon cable
Other relays in 2 bank one
Relay5
86 Large red wire - jumps and connects to 87 also
87 comes in from 86 and then out to one side of fuse and then to
relay 6-87
85 Bright pink wire that also jumps back to relay two 85
30 Large Pink wire with white tracer
Relay 6
87 Large red wire from other side of fused connection from 87 on relay5
86 Red wire from 87 connected to this
85 Orange wire that also runs to Relay 3 orange 85
30 Large orange wire
Single Relay 7
All of these wires run back to ignition harness wiring
87a Black wire- connects to one side of ignition RED / blue tracer. Installer cut this wire in half to do so
86   Med Yellow wire- connects to blue/green trace. Its connected also to large pink wire from relay 2-30
85   Orange wire- goes up in dash along with another small red wire to ??
30   Green wire-Goes to other side of RED / blue tracer ignition wire and is also joined with large purple wire going to relay 4-30
Hope this helps you and me a bit more...
mike leiter 
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Posted: August 25, 2014 at 9:29 AM / IP Logged  
catback wrote:
So are you saying the relay with the small yellow wire is working now and it's properly powering up the ignition...better than before when the relay wasn't clicking?
If the above is working and good, then try remote starting with the key in the ignition but left off. If it works that way then something is awry with your 555f setup.
No go with key in or key out..cranks over but no fire. Yes relay kicks over with new wire run to small pink on relay with yellow.
I just posted how all the wires are run to what relay.
howie ll 
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Posted: August 25, 2014 at 9:30 AM / IP Logged  
RELAY 4 for gods sake.
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