viper 5706v problem/

The relay used is a 5 pin changeover. The starter leads go to the common and NC (30 and 87a). If the ignition is hot wired when armed, 86 gets ignition and 85 gets the orange GWA thus operating the relay and disconnecting the starter wire. That's exactly how the internal relay on the Viper is wired.

Right, I understand how it is supposed to work. What I'm saying is hypothetically IF it needed the external start kill relay and the orange 500 mA ground armed output is providing a ground to 85 while it is trying to remote start then there is something internally wrong with the module no?

What may be confusing me here is pin 86. Is there power on pin 86 when the unit is remote starting? If not then I understand what my confusion is.

No, Viper doesn't use the GWA wire in that mode. It internally supplies power to 87 enabling the violet wire. Imagine a live during crank wire going to 87 on the relay diagram you just supplied on another post.

Ignition power to 86 during remote start.

So then even though I'm now NOT using the GWA wire, my module must be defective if it is using the GWA in the remote start mode. Thanks for replies. I'm just trying to understand it a little better.

howie ll wrote: No, Viper doesn't use the GWA wire in that mode. It internally supplies power to 87 enabling the violet wire. Imagine a live during crank wire going to 87 on the relay diagram you just supplied on another post.

Do you mean 87a on that diagram? because in that diagram 87 has no continuity to the starting circuit unless the relay is energized.

No I said 87 "because in that diagram 87 has no continuity to the starting circuit unless the relay is energized.". Exactly and with the alarm and ignition on during a remote start 87 and 30 become continuous. Please do some basic studies on relays Here's a start:- http://www.bcae1.com/relays.htm

It was how the module uses that circuit I was confused on not how the relay works, but I'll take your advice a little refresher course never hurt anyone. Thanks again

howie ll wrote: No, Viper doesn't use the GWA wire in that mode. It internally supplies power to 87 enabling the violet wire. Imagine a live during crank wire going to 87 on the relay diagram you just supplied on another post.

So if I disable anti-grind the remote start won't work?

linville78 wrote: It was how the module uses that circuit I was confused on not how the relay works, but I'll take your advice a little refresher course never hurt anyone. Thanks again

The simple way to think of it is the module powers the starter downstream of the starter kill so it doesn't matter if the starter kill has cut the connection between key and starter. The purpose of activating the starter kill during remote start is obviously anti-grind protection during take-over.