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davep. 
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Posted: December 28, 2014 at 5:38 PM / IP Logged  
aronmigz wrote:
Whaaaat?! Really?! U dont say?! Is that how a relay works?
Geez id think after wiring hids, a 4 pump hydraulic set up, shaved door handles, and trunk poppers in cars 10 years older i would know how a simple relay works. Thanks for unlocking that mystery, ill call off scooby and the gang.
I wasn't being sarcastic at all.
I figured that because you haven't been able to make a simple polarity-reversing 5-wire lock circuit work in two weeks and FIVE pages that the reason could only be that you don't know how this stuff works. So I tried to help. I was serious.
I have a new thought as to what's going on here. You're just a troll messing with us. No one is this stupid. No one needs 2 weeks and 5 pages to figure out a 5-wire reversing polarity lock circuit. You have it working, but are entertaining yourself by continuing to mess with us. Seriously, I think this is it, guys. He's just f'in with us now.
I'm out.
aronmigz 
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howie ll wrote:
30 to actuator (motor wire) normally sits at rest on ground , connected to 87a.
86 and 87 are constantly at at 12 volts.
When 85 is grounded, the link between 87a is broken, feed to 30 is switched to 87 (12V+), meanwhile the other relay is "inert" thus the other motor wire still goes to ground, thus the actuator will move in one direction.
Removing the ground (85) pulse from the first relay and applying it to the other relay will move the actuator in the other direction.
You need to try this first, then test the alarm's lock and unlock outputs, test one part at a time.
Make sure you haven't made a wiring error in shorting one of those motor wires, e.g. trapped by a door stay, window channel or winder mechanism.
When installing actuators, I fit the motors, then run the wiring into the car and I test, one side to POS, the other to NEG then I reverse those connections, if the motor works and runs easily I can box up the door and go to the next stage. The trick is to test at each stage.
I've told you all I can, I'm pretty sure the others agree, think you're on your own now.
Well i guess i dont know what im doing then because i wired it just how the diagram stated. Just as you mentioned and all im doing is frying wires and burning fuses and wasting money.. love it.. Not buying from china anymore and ima just go with door poppers. Simple. Done it before no problems.
Aron Migz
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Posted: December 28, 2014 at 8:28 PM / IP Logged  
I think Davep can read the diagram and make it work.
aronmigz 
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Posted: December 28, 2014 at 8:35 PM / IP Logged  
i am an idiot wrote:
I think Davep can read the diagram and make it work.
But the question is why am i blowing fuses and burning wires only when 86 and 87 have 12v and 87a grounded.
As soon as i connect the power.. Fuse blows..
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Posted: December 28, 2014 at 8:39 PM / IP Logged  
The pictures you mentioned the other day will probably help us figure it out.
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Posted: December 28, 2014 at 8:47 PM / IP Logged  
i am an idiot wrote:
The pictures you mentioned the other day will probably help us figure it out.
power locks relay - Page 6 -- posted image.
The white wires are 12v supplying power to 86 an 87. Blue and green wires are 85 neg. Pulsed from alarm. The fat red wire on 87a is ground(yes i know should be black, but this makes it easier to swap post to posts.
Aron Migz
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Posted: December 28, 2014 at 9:20 PM / IP Logged  
Are you sure that there is an 87A? Make sure that your relays do not have 2 87s.
howie ll 
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Posted: December 29, 2014 at 8:26 AM / IP Logged  
One very last thought, test the motor wires, apply each end to live, see if you;ve shorted a wire.
You'll know if you place a 10 amp fuse on the live feed and it blows it.
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My money is on the relay to the right of the picture has 2 87s I can not see because the terminal is in the way. But notice that it is a different style relay than the one on the left.
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87 X 2, 87b would both blow fuses etc. first rule, look at the terminal markings and configuration.
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