viper 5204x w/remote st

I've benn working on installing a Viper 5204x Remote Start Alarm into my 2002 Trans Am WS6 M6. I've got everything hooked up and almost everything working except the defrost and remote start. (Having trouble finding the correct "GREY" wire to tie into.) I'm having trouble with the remote start. I would really appreciate any help with it! This is what I've got. Let me know what you think, please. Remote Start, (H3) 10-pin connector     H3/1 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT         Key Cylinder Option connect to the Pink wire coming off the key cylinder (thicker gauge shows 12v only when key is at the run position right before crank)     H3/2 RED / WHITE (87) FLEX RELAY +12V INPUT (30A FUSED)         Attach to H3/6     H3/3 ORANGE (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT         ORANGE wire off of ignition switch         Test: shows 12V when ignition switch is turned to run, 0V at Off and ACC     H3/4 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL)         See H3/5     H3/5 GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL)         starter kill relay you take the starter wire on the car Yellow wire and cut the wire in half one end goes to the green wire the other to the black wire. (Green and Black Wire Thicker) (thicker gauge coming off key cylinder) (there may what looks like a yellow wire but it may not be it may be a yellow shield with multiple wires inside DO NOT TOUCH THIS IS AND AIRBAG WIRE. also yellow plugs are airbag wires too!!!)     H3/6 RED IGNITION 1 +12V INPUT (30A FUSED)         It is best to get ignition power from the fuse panel. There are ports there specifically designed by GM for adding accessories. They are labeled BATT, ACCY, and IGN. The IGN port is the one you want for this purpose. Look for Yellow wire ??? Or should this be for H3/1 ???         connects to the red wire coming off the key cylinder (thicker wire that always will show 12v)     H3/7 PINK/WHITE (30) FLEX RELAY OUTPUT (car side of ign, acc or starter wire)     H3/8 PINK/BLACK (87a) FLEX RELAY INPUT (key side of ign, acc or starter wire if needed)     H3/9 RED / BLACK ACCESSORY/STARTER RELAY +12V INPUT (30A FUSED)         Attach to H3/6     H3/10 NC No Connection Main Harness (H1), 6-pin connector H1/1 RED (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT Backside of the fuse box open slot Look for orange wire (BATT) 25AMP Fuse H1/2 BLACK (-) CHASSIS GROUND put a ring terminal on and attach to a factory bolt attached to a good amount of metal Passenger side next to door H1/3 BROWN (+) SIREN OUTPUT siren red wire already as stated will attach to the brown off the viper black Siren wire will be grounded to another good metal point. H1/4 WHITE/ BROWN PARKING LIGHT ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a of onboard relay N/A H1/5 WHITE PARKING LIGHT OUTPUT Working behind the fuse box Brown wire coming off the Headlight switch assembly Use blue quick slice connector to switch into this brown Light Flash Polarity “Connection will be made to a positive 12V wire, so ensure your alarm’s output for this feature is also +12V” This is where I set the alarm’s “LIGHT FLASH POLARITY” to positive. “The internal fuse is used to determine the light flash output. In the (+) position, the onboard relay outputs (+)12V on the WHITE wire, H1/11. In the (-) position, the on-board relay will supply a (-) output. When wiring into a multiplex circuit, you can replace the fuse with a resistor (paying attention to the polarity setting). (Refer to diagram on p.16, H1/4 WHITE/ Brown wire description).” Or at the BCM BLK/WHT wire in position C8 of blue connector: Parking light relay trigger (-) to Viper white wire (must change jumper for negative output) H1/6 ORANGE (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT BCM C11 YEL/BLK Starter Relay Control (Domestic)???Should bypass the clutch start switch??? Connect to Window Module H2/4 ORANGE H2 Harness, 24-pin connector H2/1 PINK/WHITE (-) 200mA IGNITION/FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT H2/2 BLACK/ WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY INPUT Chassis Ground H2/3 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT Need a relay to operate the defrost/defogger 85 = 5204 Blue/White 86 & 87 = Fused 12V 30 = Defogger Gray Rear Defrost ....... Gray (+) ......... At Rear Window Defogger Switch H2/4 GREEN/ BLACK (-) 200mA OEM ALARM DISARM OUTPUT N/A H2/5 RED / WHITE (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT Port 85 Trunk Pop Relay H2/6 GREEN (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT (N/C* OR N/O) USE DIODES Preventing a Current from traveling BACK to the BCM and you can bridge the three BCM D11 GRY/BLK Driver Door Open Input BCM D12 BLK/WHT Passenger DOI BCM D1 White Courtesy Lamp Return Check for – or + output H2/7 BLACK / YELLOW (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT SUPERVISION OUTPUT H2/8 BROWN / BLACK (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT Horn Wire BCM C9 BLACK H2/9 DARK BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT Clutch Bypass Relay IF NEEDED 86 – H2/9 DARK BLUE (-) 85 – 12V Constant 87 30 Could possibly connect to BCM C11 YEL/BLK Starter Relay Control (Domestic) H2/10 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT H2/11 WHITE/ BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT H2/12 VIOLET (+) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT H2/13 WHITE/ VIOLET (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT Window Module 535T-H2/3 RED / WHITE Wire H2/14 VIOLET/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT H2/15 ORANGE / BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT H2/16 BROWN (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT Brake position Switch Light Blue Wire Test will give +12V when brake is pressed. Or Connect to Clutch Anticipation Switch Grey (check to make sure wire gives 12V when grounded) H2/17 GREY (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (N/C OR N/O) Hood Pin Switch connection, if used. H2/18 VIOLET / YELLOW (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT N/A H2/19 BLUE (-) TRUNK PIN/ INSTANT TRIGGER INPUT (N/C OR N/O) Trunk Input BCM D13 ORN/BLK Rear Compartment Lid Ajar Input H2/20 GREY/BLACK (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT N/A H2/21 WHITE/ BLUE (-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER ACTIVATION INPUT N/A H2/22 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT Use Diode to prevent current traveling back to VIPER MODULE. Relay will be used to wake up BCM for Door UnLOCK BROWN wire at BCM Black Connector (D BRN Accessory Positive (+) V) Relay Time 30 – BRN off BCM 87 & 86 – 12v Constant 85 – H2/22 Orange (-) H2/23 VIOLET/WHITE TACHOMETER INPUT PCM Red Connector, Pin 10, White wire. H2/24 GREEN / WHITE (-) 200mA OEM ALARM ARM OUTPUT N/A BCM C11 YEL/BLK Starter Relay Control (Domestic)???Should bypass the clutch start switch???

Anyone???

H3/1 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT        Pink at Ignition Switch Harness

H3/2 RED / WHITE (87) FLEX RELAY +12V INPUT (30A FUSED)            Red at Ignition Switch HarnessH3/3 ORANGE (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT        Orange at Ignition Switch HarnessH3/4 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE)     Cut wire       Yellow at Ignition Switch HarnessH3/5 GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE)              Yellow at Ignition Switch HarnessH3/6 RED IGNITION 1 +12V INPUT (30A FUSED)          Red at Ignition Switch Harness  H3/7 PINK/WHITE (30) FLEX RELAY OUTPUT **set to ACC       Brown at Ignition Switch Harness H3/8 PINK/BLACK (87a) FLEX RELAY INPUT    not usedH3/9 RED / BLACK ACC/STARTER RELAY +12V INPUT (30A FUSED)   Red at Ignition Switch HarnessH3/10 NC No Connection

The Red wire at the Ignition switch harness is rated at 50 Amps and it supplies all the power needed for the primary ignition

switch circuits.  Never did a 2002 TA, but on some GM vehicles there are multiple Red or a RED / White +12V constant wire at the ignition switch harness.  Test to see if this is the case and split the Viper's load across the available wires.  Bottom line,not a good idea to comblne multiple 30 Amp Viper wires and make one connection for a circuit that could draw 50 Amps.

H1/6 ORANGE (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT   This wire will show a (-) output only when the Viper is Armed.  Not

exactly what you need for a clutch bypass.  (-) Status Output is better.  Used for a window roll-up is the correct normal application.

H2/2 BLACK/ WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY INPUT      Chassis Ground      This wire should be connected to the EBrake wire.

While it won't stop the vehicle from moving if cranked while in gear, it is used for Reservation Mode.

H2/6 GREEN (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT (N/C* OR N/O)

USE DIODES Preventing a Current from traveling BACK to the BCM and you can bridge the three BCM D11 GRY/BLK Driver Door Open Input BCM D12 BLK/WHT Passenger DOI BCM D1 White Courtesy Lamp Return Only need to connect the two doors OR the Courtesy Lamp.

Can't help with the clutch bypass, can't find any info.  I would check the clutch pedal switch and use a DMM to find the interlock wires.

Soldering is fun!

clutch bypass Dark Green (+) @ clutch switch. connect your start wire directly at the clutchTed

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THANKS!!! I'm going to follow this advice. Just a couple of questions first.

kreg357 wrote: H3/7 PINK/WHITE (30) FLEX RELAY OUTPUT **set to ACC       Brown at Ignition Switch Harness

The "**set to ACC", is this just pointing out this wire will power my accessories during remote start or do I need to do something additionally? i.e. somehow program my viper module to give this acc power, etc....

kreg357 wrote: H1/6 ORANGE (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT   This wire will show a (-) output only when the Viper is Armed. Not exactly what you need for a clutch bypass. (-) Status Output is better. Used for a window roll-up is the correct normal application. Can't help with the clutch bypass, can't find any info. I would check the clutch pedal switch and use a DMM to find the interlock wires.

Using Status output there is an excellent suggestion, I should have already caught if I wasn't such a novice. haha I'm hoping that connecting a ground signal to the BCM's starter relay control will prevent me from needing to connect a relay directly to the clutch start switch. Looking at my wiring diagrams, I think the clutch start switch only sends a ground signal to the BCM starter relay.

kreg357 wrote: H2/2 BLACK/ WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY INPUT      Chassis Ground      This wire should be connected to the EBrake wire. While it won't stop the vehicle from moving if cranked while in gear, it is used for Reservation Mode.

This is what I originally intended to do. The problem I ran into is that with my car the ground is cut when the e brake is pulled. So the function is the opposite of what the car is asking for.

tedmond wrote: clutch bypass Dark Green (+) @ clutch switch. connect your start wire directly at the clutch

I'm sorry, but I don't understand this.

connect the purple start wire from the viper, to the dark green wire at the clutch. Usually the start wire is connected at the ignition(not this case)Ted

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tedmond wrote: connect the purple start wire from the viper, to the dark green wire at the clutch. Usually the start wire is connected at the ignition(not this case)

So if I do this, then how does the PCM get the power it normally gets from the start wire during start?

power travels from the ignition, through the clutch to the starter relay. Instead you are directly powering the relayTed

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He's right. The cluster won't see the crank signal if start is connected to the dk grn at the clutch switch. Does this matter? It doesn't look like the WS6 has a PCM crank signal. Only the 3.8 does. [/IMG]