Alpine Guy wrote:
That right there is where your assumption of an alternator wont do anything. When you get an alternator re-wound in a stock case there isn't much room to play with so something has to be compromised, aka the idle output.. If you purchase a quality alternator (at least $1 per amp) you wont have that problem. I have always spent good money $300-$400 on alternators and have achieved excellent results. |
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*Ahem* Actually, if you read my original post in this thread, you would find that this is not at all my assumption, and I did indeed recommend a larger alternator, albiet from a manufacturer like Stinger, or perhaps Mechman as you suggest, to replace his alternator. I would not spend so little on an alternator after my experience with rewound alts.. price quotes for vehicles I've looked at typically are two or three times your above estimate for a quality manufactured alternator. Typically, they have also required expensive and cumbersome mounting brakets as well as moving other things around in my engine to get them to fit.
The orginal POSTER stated that he can't get to his alt to run the + --> battery wire, if this is the case, he is CERTAINLY going to have trouble swapping the thing.. nevermind the irritating cost of such a componet. I was attempting to provide the original poster with an excellent method of solving his problem, while maintaining his ability to actually implement the solution; as larger/more batteries are far easier to install than a new alternator, and, of coures, represents far less in capital outlay. And I maintain he would require a deep cycle battery for optimal system performance.. w/ or w/o an HO alt.
Alpine Guy wrote:
With my mechman alternator I could sit at a stop light with the bass cranked on a bass cd and not get light dimming. (3000WRMS System)
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REALLLY??
Sooo.. assuming your amplifiers are perfect machines and output 100% of the power they get (which they don't), you are using 200 - 240 amps of current. So on a 180amp alt (your sig) you using your... wait what... this can't be...
your battery to filter the extra current draw?
Is that what is happening in your car?! I can't believe it! So I am, indeed, correct in everything I've told our poster?!
I thought so.
Alpine Guy wrote:
Now, as for your missunderstanding on how adding more batteries is the answer that is very wrong. If you have time to do so I would study some electrical characteristics, for example how a capacitor charges and discharges in a rectified AC circuit. |
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Again, you are totally unable to point out where my "misunderstanding" lies. You are just telling me I'm wrong when all my observations, study, and experience dictate otherwise.
Alpine Guy wrote:
A battery can only charge to its source voltage (the alternator), If the alternator is only putting out 10 volts, your battery will NEVER read more than 10 volts, its simple fact. |
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Which is the underlying problem with an alt that does not produce proper voltage at idle. I never contradicted this or explained otherwise.
Alpine Guy wrote:
say you install 50 deep cycle batteries in a veh and crank that bass with a bass track on repeat and go on a road trip for a few hours, I am willing to bet that the car wont start after you turn it off. |
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This belies common sense and doesn't really matter anyway in the application I'm discussing. I already acknowledged that if you make a dedicated effort to overrun the batteries, the attempt would be successful. For normal vehicle operation however, assuming his listening habits are not what you just described (whose are?), larger energy capacity WILL solve this posters problem, if done in the right way. I'm assuming the stereo will not be at maximum output at all times of vehicle operation. Arguing otherwise would just be silly.
Alpine Guy wrote:
An extra battery will only help in 2 situations 1) as a current source for when the veh is turned off, or 2) as buffer or filter when the charging source is able to supply more than the demand.
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No, no. Using to Ohm's Law and simple math, we can confirm that indeed, the battery can also be used "as buffer or filter when the charging source is
unable to supply more than the demand."
We can prove this by simple observation.
In this case we would observe you, in your car, at a stoplight, listening to your 3000wrms/200-some-amp stereo off your 180 amp alternator that is seeing idle speed at its crank, so its really making something like 100 amps.
How's that? Your BATTERY.
Alpine Guy wrote:
Im sure fellow Electrical Engineer's on here can provide a more detailed explaination if you request |
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We'll see. I was antagonizing Steven Kephart about this on another thread but he hasn't gotten back yet.
Alpine Guy wrote:
I was once in your position and now im here with only 2 more years of school left and I'll be making the amps people on this site will be frying. |
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Really? In two more years I'll be the lawyer you hire when your amp catches fire and kills someone.
"I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview