viper 5701 with fortin evo all

use diodes on the lock/unlock wire to the db-all. diode band towards viper. the viper uses flip polarity on the locks if i remember unless they changed it.Ted

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Sorry about that maybe iv make a mistake but the db-all is not for the same car that the car with power lock/unlock problem The car with lock wire problem is a toyota corrola 2000 with a prostart ct-5400 tw remote-start with negative wire for the unlock,lock . My problem is because on the car, the wire for the lock/unlock is also negative then i dont know how to connect these 2 wires. Maybe i should use 2 relay one for each wire. 1 relay lock, 1 unlock Is it the simply way? And sorry about all the incorrect words normally i speak in French.ThE GhOsTmAn01

Hi again all, thank you for all your awnser and HAPPY CHRISTMAS !!

First of all ill expose my problem ...

The viper 5701 that i bought is refurbished , that mean that the module dont come with any instructions. BUT i have find on xpresskit.com my wiring diagram for my car.

ignition : BLACK / YELLOW

12 volts:white

starter:BLACK/ white

acc 1:BLACK/ red

acc 2:WHITE/ red

But from installation guide the name of the wires are not the same, ill post all the wiring of the installation guide and if you want to help me to join each of us ill be so happy .

From the guide on the h3 10-pin connector :

pink           /(+) ignition 1 input/output

red-white / (87)flex relay +12v input (30a fused)

orange     / (+) accessory output

violet        /(+)starter output (car side)

green       /(+)starter input (key side)

red           /ignition 1 +12v input (30a fused)

pink-WHITE/  (30) flex relay output (car side of ign, acc or starter wire)

pink-BLACK/  (87a) flex relay input (keyside of ign,acc or starter wire if needed)

red-black / accessory/starter relay +12v input (30a fused)

This is my ignition harness

Hope to be help, to help next time too               HAPPY CHRISTMAS ALL

ThE GhOsTmAn01

Hi again all, thank you for all your awnser and HAPPY CHRISTMAS !!

First of all ill expose my problem ...

The viper 5701 that i bought is refurbished , that mean that the module dont come with any instructions. BUT i have find on xpresskit.com my wiring diagram for my car.

ignition : BLACK / YELLOW

12 volts:white

starter:BLACK/ white

acc 1:BLACK/ red

acc 2:WHITE/ red

But from installation guide the name of the wires are not the same, this is all the wiring of the installation guide and if you want to help me to join each of us ill be so happy .

From the guide on the h3 10-pin connector :

pink           /(+) ignition 1 input/output

red-white / (87)flex relay +12v input (30a fused)

orange     / (+) accessory output

violet        /(+)starter output (car side)

green       /(+)starter input (key side)

red           /ignition 1 +12v input (30a fused)

pink-WHITE/  (30) flex relay output (car side of ign, acc or starter wire)

pink-BLACK/  (87a) flex relay input (keyside of ign,acc or starter wire if needed)

red-black / accessory/starter relay +12v input (30a fused)

This is my ignition harness

Hope to be help, to help next time too               HAPPY CHRISTMAS ALL

Forget to tell that i replaced the fortin evo-all by a db-all from expresskit that is d2d compatible !!

And from the sheet of my db-all, i need to connect a ground wire from my remote-start to the chassis but is it the small ground wire from the other connector on the other side of the remote-start? I think this small gauge ground wire is for all the other acc like trunk output,unlock output ....

ThE GhOsTmAn01

Someone please !!ThE GhOsTmAn01

The red, RED / white, and RED / black are all going to connect to your 12v constant (white). Pink will go to your ignition (BLACK / YELLOW). Orange will go to your accessory 1 (BLACK/ red). Pink/White will go to your accessory 2 (WHITE/ red) **You will need to change the programming option for the flex relay to 2nd accessory!!. The Violet will go to your starter wire (BLACK/ white). The pink/black and green are not used (unless you want the starter kill option in which case the BLACK/ white wire will be cut; purple goes to the car side of the wire, green goes to the switch side of the wire). The ground off the DB-All and the ground off the unit all need to go to a good low chassis ground. As far as the lock/unlock problem, you can try using 2 relays to get a stronger ground signal. Connect the relays as follows: 30 to chassis ground (both relays) 87 to unlock / lock wire on car (lock on one relay, unlock on the other) 87a no connection 86 12v constant (both relays) 85 lock / unlock output from Viper (lock on one relay, unlock on the other) To be 100% honest, if you are not 100% confident with car electrical, I would bring it to a professional. You can cause a lot of damage if you make one wrong connection.Kenny

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If you are not using a DMM to test and verify each wire before making any of your connections you are heading for frustration.  In the downloads section of this site is the install manual for the 5701.  In it there is a section for finding and testing for the wires you need.  DON'T just go by a wire guide. It may be, or your car might be different.  TEST and VERIFY.

Door locks are listed as type B.  Lock and unlock wires should connect to the vehicle wiring without the need for relays.

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exactly what he said. I was assuming you were using a DMM... if not, you are headed for failure. I would recheck your lock wires as they should not require the relays... but if you are 100% sure they are correct and still not working, then using the relay may work.Kenny

Owner / Technician

KKD Garage LLC

Albany, NY 12205

Thamk you so much guy ! Yes iam using a tester but only a pencil light for 12v at this time.But its not the first time i install a remote start on my car but the in the past the name of the conection was more clear (for me). And for the lock unlock problem it not for this Honda Accord 2003,on this car i am using the d2d option but on the other car Toyota Corrola 2000 the wire is negative and the signal from the lock unlock is negative too. Wow guy i just see that i am not using the good installation guide ... the good one is the first one in the download section .I was using the 5701 guide but the new version ! In this verion the connection is NOT explaned instead of the other guide. Thank you again guy. ThE GhOsTmAn01