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bojangle 
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I have a 2006 GMC Envoy I am trying to install my DEI viper 5901, DBall Immobilizer with Smart Start. I've went over the wires and connections several times as this vehicle is a pretty straight forward install. Problem I'm having is there's no power to my ignition wire when I try to remote start. everything works fine as far as the unlock/lock function. When I press the remote start the stereo turns on, HVAC fan, dash lights, everything as if its going to start but, won't turn over. tries 3 times then hits me with an error on the remote. I tried the shut down diagnostics but it's not giving me a reason. testing with my volt meter shows no power to the pink (ignition) wire. any ideas on why or what would cause this and what I could look for? been searching for a few days on this issue so any help is appreciated. thanks guys ~Nick~
bojangle 
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Posted: July 21, 2013 at 3:49 PM / IP Logged  
sorry about tittle, was to be "help needed" not just "needed"
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Posted: July 21, 2013 at 3:58 PM / IP Logged  
Start with the basics. Are all three power wires on the H3 harness connected to +12V constant ( Red, RED / White and RED / Black )? Pull the fuses and do a continuity check. Use your DMM to verify +12V at the H3 connector pin for those 3 pins.
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bojangle 
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yes checked all 12v constant and continuity check
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Posted: July 21, 2013 at 5:18 PM / IP Logged  
Is this w2w or d2d. Could you list your connection of the 5901, ball, and car. Is the dbal flashed with the correct firmware?
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bojangle 
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This is how i have the conn with D2D
     H1/1 RED / Wh (-) Trunk Release Out N/A
o     H1/2 Red (+) 12V Constant In to 12V Batt
o     H1/3 Brown (+) Siren Out to red of siren
o     H1/4 WHITE/ Br Light Flash Iso N/A
o     H1/5 Black (-) Ground to common ground
o     H1/6 Violet (+) Door Trigger N/A
o     H1/7 Blue (-) Instant Trigger N/A
o     H1/8 Green (-) Door Trigger Input to Bypass Module
o     H1/9 BLACK/ White (-) Dome Light Out N/A
o     H1/10 WHITE/ Blue (-) Remote Start N/A
o     H1/11 White Parking Light Out N/A
o     H1/12 Orange (-) Ground-When-Armed (GWA) Output N/A
AUX HARNESS
o     H2/1 Lt. GREEN/ Blk (-) Factory Disarm Out N/A
o     H2/2 Lt. GREEN/ Wh (-) Factory Arm Out N/A
o     H2/3 WHITE/ Vio Aux 1 Out
o     H2/4 Violet/Blk Aux 2 Out
o     H2/5 WHITE/ Blk Aux 3 Out
o     H2/6 Lt. Blue 2nd Unlock Out
o     H2/7 Gray/Blk Wait-to-Start (diesel only) N/A
o     H2/8 BROWN / Blk Factory Horn Out (Optional) to Ignition Harness (“IGN”) D4 (horn relay control)
o     H3/1 Pink (+) Ignition 1 Out & Ign 1 input sense to IGN C6 (Pink) AND DBall Pink
o     H3/2 RED / Wh (+) Ignition 2 to IGN D2 RED / Wh
o     H3/3 Orange (+) Accessory to IGN D1 Orange
o     H3/4 Violet (+) Starter Out to IGN Yellow C1 (harness side of cut wire)
o     H3/5 Green (+) Starter In to IGN Yellow C1 (key side of cut wire)
o     H3/6 Red (+) Ignition 1 In to IGN B5 Red (12V constant)
o     H3/7 Pink/Wh (+) Ignition 2 Out to IGN C5 Pink/Wh
o     H3/8 Pink/Blk (+) Flex Relay In N/A
o     H3/9 RED / Blk (+) Accessory In to IGN B5 Red
o     H3/10 N/C
o     Additional Relay
*     Pin 85 – Orange ACC wire (H3/3)
*     Pin 86 – Common ground
*     Pin 87 – IGN B6 Brown (Accessory 2)
*     Pin 30 – 12V constant (I used IGN B5 Red)
R/S In
o     1 BLACK/ Wh (-) Neutral Safety Switch In to common ground
o     2 Violet/Wh Tach In to Module Violet/Wh Tach Out
o     3 Brown (+) Brake Shutdown Wire to Brake Switch White (above pedal)
o     4 Gray (-) Hood Pin Switch to Hood Pin Switch.
o     5 Blue/Wh Rear Defog Out N/A
R/S Aux Out
o     1 N/A
o     2 N/A
o     3 N/A
o     4 N/A
o     5 N/A
Door Lock
o     1 N/A
o     2 N/A
o     3 N/A
I had the DBall module flashed at Vandenburg (local shop in Holland MI)
I then tried W2W but still same results, though W2W I'm confused about with the Ground While Running wire. I had that to the blue status wire on the viper as i figured the Ground While Armed was different. thanks for the help as I'm lost and the shop wants $375 to look at it.
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Posted: July 21, 2013 at 7:31 PM / IP Logged  

In the D2D mode the only wire connected to the car is the Violet / YELLOW from the 14 pin connector to the car diagnostic connector. You have listed the pink from the 10 pin connector connected.

Did the DBALL program correctly as described in the instructions?

Not sure about your relay setup.  Still looking that one.

H3/7 should be connected to a White wire THAT meters out as a Ignition 2. You have listed pink/white, maybe a typo.

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bojangle 
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Posted: July 21, 2013 at 7:45 PM / IP Logged  
sorry H3/7 is connected to white not pink/white. Do you know how i could wire that relay any differently? way cool with the fast replies by the way. thank you very much.
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Posted: July 21, 2013 at 8:00 PM / IP Logged  

Use h2/12 orange with the relay for 2nd accessory.   H2/12 would connect to pin 85, pin 87 out to 2nd acc.

http://www.the12volt.com/relays/page1.asp   Convert a NEG to POSITIVE

Did the DBALL program as described?   Is the DBALL wires as shown for D2D ?

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bojangle 
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Posted: July 22, 2013 at 6:30 AM / IP Logged  
yes the dball was programmed as instructed I'll swap those pin outs on the relay tomorrow after work and chime in with the results, thank you again
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