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Viper 5601 & DBALL2 2008 Honda Civic manual


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andreb_666 
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Posted: March 05, 2015 at 8:37 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote andreb_666
Hi everyone,
In a couple days, I'll install a Viper 5601 combo 1-way alarm/remote start on my own 2008 Honda Civic DX-G, with manual transmission (YES, the Viper 5601 is manual tranny compatible).
I'll use a DBALL2 interface/bypass kit (programmed with FW 402.HONDA4 v3.06). I'd like to use mostly D2D.
Is the tach signal from the DBALL2 via D2D is reliable enough for remote starting? Or would it be preferable to connect at an injector?
I'll also add remote trunk relase; on the DX-G , there's only a trunk release lever/cable, no factory release solenoid. I'll install remote trunk release with a relay and an aftermarket doorlock actuator.
I think I figured out most (if not all) connections. It would be nice if someone would check it out and correct me if there's any error.
Viper 5601 harnesses:
Primary harness (H1), 12-pin connector  
   
H1/1        RED / WHITE        (-)        200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT        Ground input for aftermarket Relay/Trunk
H1/2        RED        (+)        12v CONSTANT INPUT        White (+)* @ IGNITION SWITCH (BROWN 7-Pin Plug) Pin 3
H1/3        BROWN        (+)        SIREN OUTPUT        Siren
H1/4        WHITE/ BROWN LIGHT FLASH ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a of onboard relay        Not used
H1/5        BLACK        (-)        CHASSIS GROUND        Ground
H1/6        VIOLET        (+)        DOOR TRIGGER INPUT        Not used
H1/7        BLUE        (-)        TRUNK PIN/ INSTANT TRIGGER INPUT (zone 1)        D2D
H1/8        GREEN        (-)        DOOR TRIGGER INPUT        D2D
H1/9        BLACK/ WHITE        (-)        200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT        Not used - Domelight supervision turns on with unlocking the doors
H1/10        WHITE/ BLUE        (-)        REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER ACTIVATION INPUT        Not used
H1/11        WHITE PARKING LIGHT OUTPUT        Set polarity to (-) --- Gray (-) @ HEADLIGHT SWITCH, (BLACK/ WHITE, 12-Pin PLug) Pin 11
H1/12        ORANGE        (-)        500mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT        Not used
Heavy gauge remote start, (H3) 10-pin connector    
H3/1        PINK        (+)        IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT        Blue (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH, BROWN 7-Pin Plug, Pin 6
H3/2        RED / WHITE        (+)        FUSED (30A) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87        White (50A) (+) @ ignition switch, brown 7 pin plug, pin 3
H3/3        ORANGE        (+)        ACCESSORY OUTPUT        Orange (+) @ ignition switch, brown 7 pin plug, pin 4
H3/4        VIOLET        (+)        STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL)        Yellow (+) @ ignition switch, brown 7 pin plug, pin 1
H3/5        GREEN        (+)        STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL WIRE)        Yellow (+) @ ignition switch, brown 7 pin plug, pin 1
H3/6        RED        (+)        FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT        White (50A) (+) @ ignition switch, brown 7 pin plug, pin 3
H3/7        PINK/WHITE        (+)        IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT        "Red (+) ignition switch, brown 7 pin plug, pin 5 ( ***Program to ""ACC2"" )"
H3/8        PINK/BLACK        (+)        FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY        Not Used
H3/9        RED / BLACK        (+)        FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT        White (50A) (+) @ ignition switch, brown 7 pin plug, pin 3
H3/10        NC        NC        NC        NC
Auxiliary harness (H2), 18-pin connector    
H2/1        LIGHT GREEN/ BLACK        (-)        200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM OUTPUT        D2D
H2/2        ORANGE / BLACK        (-)        200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT        Not Used
H2/3        GREEN / WHITE        (-)        200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM OUTPUT        D2D
H2/4        VIOLET/BLACK        (-)        200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT        Not Used
H2/5        WHITE/ BLACK        (-)        200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT        Not Used
H2/6        WHITE/ VIOLET        (-)        200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT        Not Used
H2/7        GRAY/BLACK        (-)        DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT        Not used
H2/8        BROWN / BLACK        (-)        200Ma HORN HONK OUTPUT        Orange (-) @ HORN SWITCH (WHITE 20-Pin Plug) Pin 10
H2/9        VIOLET/WHITE        AC        TACHOMETER INPUT WIRE        D2D
H2/10        BLUE        (-)        200mA STATUS OUTPUT        Orange wire (-) @ Yellow connector above Clutch pedal
H2/11        PINK/WHITE        (-)        200mA FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT        Not used
H2/12        ORANGE        (-)        200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT        Not used
H2/13        VIOLET        (-)        200mA STARTER OUTPUT        Not used
H2/14        PINK        (-)        200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT        Not used
H2/15        GRAY        (-)        HOOD PIN SWITCH INPUT (N/C OR N/O)        Hood switch
H2/16        BLUE/WHITE        (-)        200 mA 2ND STATUS/REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT        "BROWN (-) A/C CONTROL PANEL ( ***Program to ""Latched"" ) (need to validate this: this might be avail in a connector above gas pedal)"
H2/17        BROWN        (+)        BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT WIRE        D2D
H2/18        BLACK/ WHITE        (-)        NEUTRAL SAFETY SWITCH INPUT        (EMERGENCY BRAKE) ORANGE OR LIGHT GREEN (-) AT PARKING BRAKE SWITCH
Door lock harness, 3-pin connector
1        BLUE        (+) LOCK (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT D2D
2        EMPTY NOT USED       
3        GREEN        (-) LOCK (+) UNLOCK OUTPUT D2D
DBAll2 - Installation Type 2:
Blue connector       
1        LIGHT GREEN SINGLE WIRE CAN        Pin 4 @ Green 7 pins connector near ignition key
13        RED 12V        D2D
14        BLACK GROUND        D2D
Red connector      
 
1        BLACK/ WHITE LOCK OUTPUT        ABOVE DRIVER KICK, WHITE 18 PINS PLUGS - GREEN, PIN 16
2        GREEN/ BLACK UNLOCK OUTPUT        ABOVE DRIVER KICK, WHITE 18 PINS PLUGS - GREY, PIN 12
3        GREEN / WHITE DOOR STATUS OUTPUT        D2D
4        RED / BLACK TRUNK STATUS OUTPUT        D2D
5        VIOLET/WHITE AC TACH OUTPUT        D2D
6        GRAY BRAKE STATUS OUTPUT        D2D
10        YELLOW/BLACK HANDBRAKE OUTPUT        D2D
11        ORANGE / BLACK IMMOBILIZER DATA        Pin 3 @ Green 7 pins connector near ignition key
12        BLUE/RED HOOD OUTPUT STATUS        D2D
Black Connector     
10        BLUE/WHITE GWR STATUS INPUT        D2D
9        PINK IGNITION INPUT        Blue (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH, BROWN 7-Pin Plug, Pin 6 ( spliced with H3/1 - PINK )
3        RED / WHITE TRUNK INPUT        D2D
2        BLUE UNLOCK INPUT        D2D
1        GREEN LOCK INPUT        D2D
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Thanks for your help and comments
howie ll 
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Posted: March 05, 2015 at 9:46 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote howie ll
Seems all correct to me.
Yes DB-ALL 2 provides adequate tach.
Warning the plug you marked green for immobiliser connector, I've also seen it white and black, note sits vertically down (wire side) just inboard of ignition switch.
Also double check the wiring colours, pastel colours,very vague as are lock and unlock colours.
andreb_666 
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Posted: March 05, 2015 at 12:27 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote andreb_666
Hi Howie,
thanks for your answer.
I have another question: I thought about installing a N/O momentary switch to ground on "H1/10 WHITE/ BLUE (-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER ACTIVATION INPUT" and use this instead of the remote during the remote start activation sequence. Would this work?
howie ll 
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Posted: March 05, 2015 at 12:30 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote howie ll
Yes but why?
You still have to unlock the steering.
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Posted: March 05, 2015 at 12:38 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357

Yes, if you set reservation mode first and could reach the switch without opening any doors...  Manual Transmission Mode adds some complications. 

Remember that you must run in Tach Mode if used on a manual trans mission vehicle ( MT Mode ).

Soldering is fun!
andreb_666 
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Posted: March 05, 2015 at 12:58 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote andreb_666
Oops I think I wasn't really clear in my explanations. Because it's installed in a manual car, I have a couple steps to do before I leave the car for the next remote startup
From the 5601 owner manual:
Manual transmission vehicles
If the vehicle has manual transmission the proper steps must be followed
before leaving the parked vehicle or the remote start feature is
disabled.
1. Put the transmission in neutral.
2. Press on the vehicle’s foot brake.
3. Apply the emergency brake.
4. Release the vehicle’s foot brake. Note: Pressing the brake again
after this step will disable the remote start feature.
5. Within 15 seconds activate the remote start from the remote. (I'd use, if possible, the momentary switch for this step instead of reaching the remote and try to push a button with my fat fingers   Viper 5601 & DBALL2 2008 Honda Civic manual -- posted image. )
6. The parking lights will flash 5 times confirming that the remote start
is active.
7. Turn off the ignition (the car should stay running when key is turned
off).
8. Exit the vehicle and close the door.
9. Arm the alarm (the vehicle should shut off when arming the system).
You can now remote start the vehicle. If a door is opened or if the alarm
is triggered before the next remote start activation the system will not
remote start.
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But as I write this, I might found answer to my question in the chapter about the "Turbo Timer Mode" :
"When the vehicle is running follow the procedures listed above, but
instead of pressing the remote, press the push button the appropriate
number of times to activate the remote start (factory setting is for 1
pulse). Turn off the ignition and exit the vehicle. The car remains running
for the pre-programmed amount of time."
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I guess I'll give it a try, it wont harm anything if it doesn't work Viper 5601 & DBALL2 2008 Honda Civic manual -- posted image.
Thanks for the reminder Kreg, I had it writen down but forgot to tell about it in my first post
andreb_666 
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Posted: November 28, 2015 at 8:48 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote andreb_666
I finally got some spare time and did install the Viper 5601 in my '08 Civic!
Everything went fine, found every needed connections.
I only made one mistake; I accidentally inverted the purple and the green starter output wires...
Also, I had to connect the tach signal's input from the 5601 to one of the coils; the 5601 didn't get the tach signal from the dball2 (d2d).
I made sure everything works fine today, tomorrow I'll clean up the wiring, wrap everything up and enjoy!
Thanks Kreg and Howie for your help!
BTW, where do you mount the brain on these cars? right beside the MICU/Fusebox?
howie ll 
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Posted: November 29, 2015 at 4:19 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote howie ll
On the Euro versions of that vintage, pop the instrument panel and go behind, dead simple and makes for a very neat install.

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