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rrruschman 
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Posted: March 12, 2017 at 6:24 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote rrruschman
I need complete help in wiring a viper 5706v with dball2 to a 2009 vibe gt. I have everything to do the job including the xkloader3. I guess what confuses me the most is the 10 pin connections off the viper unit to the vibe gt.
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Posted: March 13, 2017 at 5:42 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
When you connect the XKLoader to the DB-ALL2 and signon to do the firmware flash ( TL1 ), you will see a box to open for the DirectWire wiring info for your car. Click on that to get the DEI wiring info. If your car has the 2.4L engine, you have two Ignition wires, two Starter wires and one Accessory wire at the 10 Pin main ignition switch connector. You might see that there are multiple White and/or Black wires that have different functions ( Starter and +12V constant ). Note the actual pin position, color and function of all ignition wires and then verify that info with a Digital Multi Meter at the cars ignition switch. The Viper will be able to directly handle IGN1, IGN2, Starter and Accessory. If you have the 2.4L engine with the Starter2 wire, you will need an extra 30/40 Amp relay with harness and inline fuse. You will use the Vipers Violet/Yellow (-) 200mA Starter output to control that relay. Either way, post what your find and we can supply the Viper wiring and connections.
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Posted: March 13, 2017 at 8:35 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote rrruschman
I am still lost on this. I pulled the wiring diagram off the site and the ign switch is a 8 pin, I know what each of these wires go to. So just trying to figure which color wires from the alarm 10 pin connector to which on car.
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Posted: March 13, 2017 at 8:40 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
OK, so please list the cars ignition switch harness wires with color and function. We can give you the Viper to car connections from that.
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Posted: March 13, 2017 at 9:22 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote rrruschman
Here are the ones that I believe the 10 pin viper harness will go to. This is from directtec.
    Item   wire color   location
   
     12v     white 120A     dash fuse box white 1 pin plug pin1
second 12v Blue 30A 2.4 model   Ign. switch pin 7
    starter Black              Ign. switch pin 8
second starter            whiteIgn. switch pin 1
   Ignition   Brown              Ign. switch pin 6
Second Ignition              GreenIgn. switch pin 4
Accessory     Gray Ign. switch pin 3
I usually can do anything myself but this alarm install has been stumping me. Shops in my area wanted 350 to 450 for install. I just put a kenwood Hu in it with jl amp, focal components,front and rear with jl sub and I cant drive it anywhere. I am 58 yrs old and been building cars all my life but this is first attempt at the newest alarm systems. I appreciate all the help and knowledge from this forum that everyone has to offer.
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Posted: March 13, 2017 at 9:41 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
The Viper install guide is very cryptic and brief with plenty of install trade terminology. Viper prefers to keep non-professional installers out of their industry. That is part of the reason you don't get to many answers from Viper techs on open forums.
Here is the Viper wiring :
Remote Start, 10-pin heavy gauge connector
1 NC No Connection
2 RED/BLACK (+) FUSED 12V ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT        WHITE (+) @ Dash Fuse Box
3 PINK/BLACK (+) FLEX RELAY 87A of FLEX RELAY            not used
4 PINK/WHITE (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT          GREEN (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS Pin 4
5 RED (+) FUSED 12V IGNITION 1 INPUT      BLACK or WHITE (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
6 GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE)    \ BLACK (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS Pin 8 *
7 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE) / cut wire       BLACK (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS Pin 8 *
8 ORANGE (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT             GRAY (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS Pin 3
9 RED/WHITE (+) FUSED 12V IGNITION 2      WHITE (+) @ Dash Fuse Box
10 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT       BROWN (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS Pin 6
* If you don't want or need Starter Kill / Anti-Grind, do not cut the Black Starter wire and only connect the Viper Violet Starter wire.
Leave the Viper Green wire not connected / not used.
Relay for Starter2 wire :
Relay Pin 85 to Viper Violet/Yellow (-) 200mA Starter output
Relay Pin 86 and 87 to Blue 30A @ Ign. switch pin 7 or White @ Fuse Box
Relay Pin 30 to Vibe Starter2 White @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS, Pin 1
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Posted: March 13, 2017 at 10:04 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote rrruschman
Thanks so much Kreg357, I will start on this again tomorrow. I am sure I will be needing some more of your knowledge thru this install. Again it is 5706v with dball2 and thinking about installing the phone start system in it too but first is this.
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Posted: March 14, 2017 at 6:13 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
Sorry, one correction :
Remote Start, 10-pin heavy gauge connector
1 NC No Connection
2 RED/BLACK (+) FUSED 12V ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT        WHITE (+) @ Dash Fuse Box
3 PINK/BLACK (+) FLEX RELAY 87A of FLEX RELAY            not used
4 PINK/WHITE (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT          GREEN (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS Pin 4
5 RED (+) FUSED 12V IGNITION 1 INPUT       WHITE (+) @ Dash Fuse Box
6 GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE)    \ BLACK (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS Pin 8 *
7 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE) / cut wire       BLACK (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS Pin 8 *
8 ORANGE (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT             GRAY (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS Pin 3
9 RED/WHITE (+) FUSED 12V IGNITION 2      WHITE (+) @ Dash Fuse Box
10 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT       BROWN (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS Pin 6
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Posted: March 14, 2017 at 5:22 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote rrruschman
Thank you for the update but item 4 pink/white+ ignition 2/flex relay output green + @ignition switch pin 4? Does this mean I use a relay to that?
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Posted: March 14, 2017 at 7:29 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
rrruschman wrote:
Thank you for the update but item 4 pink/white+ ignition 2/flex relay output green + @ignition switch pin 4? Does this mean I use a relay to that?
No. Your Viper has a Flex relay output from an internal relay. Because it can be programmed for IGN2, ACC2 or Starter2, they call it a Flex relay as opposed to the fixed relay outputs like IGN, ACC or Starter that can not be changed.
It is a full current output that can handle up to 30 Amps.
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