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sam_mrofcza
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| Posted: January 23, 2012 at 10:54 AM - IP Logged |
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Ok here is where I am at…sorry for the long post but I wanted to be as detailed as possible.
Vehicle is a 2006 Honda Civic Auto Trans
Installing a Viper 4203V Responder one 1 button 2-way Remote Start only
Using a DB-ALL interface box, firmware is HONDA4, wired in D2D using install type 2
Here are the connections I have made
Viper Wire Wire in Vehicle
Heavy Gauge harness
Red (both reds are tied together) White in ignition harness
Pink Ignition out Blue in ignition harness
Violet Starter out Yellow ignition harness
Orange Accessory Orange Ignition harness
Pink/white 2nd accessory Red ignition harness
Primary Harness
Lt Green/Black Factory Alarm Disarm Not used
Green/white Factory Rearm Not used
Yellow Ignition out (to alarm) Not used
White/Blue Activation Input Not used
Orange Ground when locked(not used in one button) Not used
Brown Horn output Orange small steer wheel harness
Red/white (not used in one button) Not used
Black Ground Using factory ground point under dash above fuse panel
4 Pin Satellite Harness Not used
Door Lock Harness Not used
Remote Start harness
Black/White Neutral Safety Switch Wired Through toggle switch and grounded at factory ground under dash just above fuse panel
Violet/white Tach input Not used
Brown brake switch Although the DB-all says this does not need to be wired, at first the car started and would not shut off, so I wired it to the lt green wire at the brake switch
Gray Hood pin Installed hood pin
Blue/white Defogger Not used
DB-ALL WIRES
Pink Ignition input Blue Ignition harness
Lt Green Single CAN Wire Pink 7 pin immobilizer connector
Orange/black Immobilizer Data Lt Green 7 pin immobilizer connector
Black/white Lock output Green in white plug going to driver door
Green/Black Unlock ouput Gray in white plug going to driver door
Ok so those are the wire I have connected, and here is what is going on. I got everything and programmed the DB-all, and tried to remote start and it worked fine. Then I noticed that it was not turning off with the foot brake, at this point I hard wired the foot brake input directly to the remote start ( thinking out loud, b/c I’m using the DB-All should I have used the output from that instead of going right to the foot brake…thoughts?) at this point the system seemed to be working fine. I tested it several times (probably 10 or so) and there were no issues. I then put everything back together and was about to pull out of the shop, I go to remote start……nothing happens and I get a “Failed Tone” from the 2-way remote and red LED. I pull everything a part again and double check all my wiring and connections, confirming wires with me DMM, all the while trying to RS the vehicle, about 1 out of every 10 attempts the vehicle would RS, and once it RS started and the horn started going off (the factory alarm I would assume)
This one has me really confused, I feel like it could be the factory anti theft system giving me issues, but then I also feel like sometimes the signal is not even getting to the control unit for the remote start, almost like I have the antenna disconnected ( I don’t though….i checked that).
Any ideas, I know this is a long one but its so intermittent its killing me brain.
Thank you
Also I typed this in word, if you're having a hard time reading the wiring info I can email you the table.
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offroadzj
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For what its worth, I rarely have had any luck with D2D. I always go W2W and have had much more reliability. I agree that it sounds like it is not disarming the alarm on remote start. You can also check the programming on the unit and make sure it is set to disarm before remote start.
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sam_mrofcza
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offroadzj wrote:
| For what its worth, I rarely have had any luck with D2D. I always go W2W and have had much more reliability. I agree that it sounds like it is not disarming the alarm on remote start. You can also check the programming on the unit and make sure it is set to disarm before remote start. |
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When say check programing you are referring to the DB-all Correct? Also would just hooking up the disarm wire from the RS directly to the car fix this, or would that upset the DB-all for some reason??? Im just spit balling here. One more also...would you recommend a different bypass, I dont have an issue getting another one and starting fresh.. Thank you |
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tedmond
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the dball will automatically take care of disarm for you. a buddy did a test vehicle 09 civic with dball/5901 works fine. had the same issue of it not wanting to start. i rechecked the wiring and had to run a tach wire. note check your wires for immobilizer/data.
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sam_mrofcza
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tedmond wrote:
the dball will automatically take care of disarm for you. a buddy did a test vehicle 09 civic with dball/5901 works fine. had the same issue of it not wanting to start. i rechecked the wiring and had to run a tach wire. note check your wires for immobilizer/data.
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I will give this a try...I am still concerned that the RS box makes zero noise, like I can't hear any relays clicking, not parking light flash, almost like its not getting a signal from remote...how could i test fot this? |
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tedmond
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on the primary harness there should be a red wire fused. this is the power for your brain.
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sam_mrofcza
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tedmond wrote:
| on the primary harness there should be a red wire fused. this is the power for your brain. |
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Normally there is, however on this system there is not....its the viper responder one.....its a one button remote start only. There are two fused power wires on the heavy gauge harness. I found it odd that there were was not a small gauge power wire on the main harness too.
Here is a link to the install manual for the system I used
Viper Responder One
Thank you again for your help guys. |
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tedmond
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check to see if you have power and ground at the connectors.
the remotes come pre programmed. check to see if fuses are still good.
i say the ground connection should be double checked.
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sam_mrofcza
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I am 99% sure they are all good.....I have a few more ideas to try just from other posts (the tach wire, and i will prob reflash the DB-All just to be sure) problem is the car is back with customer...god i hate that i had to return it not working.
In either case....I really feel like the remotes are not even transmitting with the control unit cause i can't here the units relays click at all when i push the button on the remote....like if it were a security problem wouldn't the RS control unit still try to got through the motions of starting, even it the car didn't respond. My question is at what point do i consider either a bad antena or a bad control model???
Thanks again for the quick responses. |
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tedmond
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its most likely antenna, but not limited to module or a pinched antenna wire.
do you have extra control modules for replacement?
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