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red86 
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Posted: February 26, 2011 at 12:14 PM / IP Logged  

Hello,

I have a nitrous oxide system that I am adding an emergency shutoff valve system to. The valve does not require any constant current to keep it ON or OFF. Just a momentary 12v to either the ON circuit wire or OFF circuit wire. It has a 3rd wire which is the valve solenoid ground. I want to set it up so that the existing switched ON 12v arming circuit also produces a momentary 12v pulse that will activate the emergency valve to the ON position circuit wire and when the arming switch is turned OFF, another momentary 12v pulse is sent to the emergency valve OFF position circuit wire. The emergency shutoff valve is supplied with a momentary 2 way switch that I don't want to use to keep the installation clean.  Per the mfg there is no need for a relay due to low current is used just to activate the valve from one state to the other. Anyone have any suggestions on how to accomplish this?

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hotwaterwizard 
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Posted: February 26, 2011 at 8:14 PM / IP Logged  

A diagram of your existing circuit would help.

You may be able to use this circuit twice.

special solenoid valve -- posted image.

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red86 
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Posted: February 26, 2011 at 8:25 PM / IP Logged  

Thanks for the reply.

That configuration would work for when the main arming switch is turned ON. It would produce the needed momentary voltage pulse to the valve solenoid ON circuit. The problem is when the main arming switch is turned OFF, I would need to produce a momentary voltage pulse to the valve solenoid OFF circuit. The valve has 3 wires: one for a momentary voltage to turn the valve ON, one for a momentary voltage to turn the valve OFF, and a ground.

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Posted: February 27, 2011 at 12:28 AM / IP Logged  

I don't understand your Question I guess???special solenoid valve -- posted image.

special solenoid valve -- posted image.

John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
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hotwaterwizard 
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Posted: February 27, 2011 at 12:42 AM / IP Logged  

If we are dealing wit just pulses try this circuit,

special solenoid valve -- posted image.

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red86 
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Posted: February 27, 2011 at 7:49 AM / IP Logged  

The ON circuit and the OFF circuit of the valve needs to be connected to the momentary 12v circuits. The arming switch currently is used just to turn the entire system ON and OFF. It is just that, an On and OFF switch. The valve is a completely separate component that I want to activate with the same switch. What I need is a separate momentary 12v pulse to activate the valve to the ON  position when the arming switch is turned ON (main power ON) and a separate momentary 12v pulse to activate the valve to the OFF position when the arming switch is turned OFF (main power OFF). Arming the system and activating the valve are two totally different independent operations to be perfomed hopefully with the same switch. Unfortunately I am not familiar enough with this site to provide a schematic of the current setup but I hope this clears things up.

Thanks

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Posted: February 27, 2011 at 8:44 AM / IP Logged  
Do you have an electrical bottle opener?
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red86 
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Posted: February 27, 2011 at 8:54 AM / IP Logged  
No electric bottle opener. I spray a 300 shot so I have 2 10# bottles mounted in the rear. Individual bottle openers would be cost prohibitive. That is why I'm installing an emergency shutoff solenoid valve in the main line.
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No interlock on the above relay diagram? (Can both solenoids can be energised at the same time?) Run power for one thru the NC contact of the other if that is a concern.
red86 
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Posted: February 27, 2011 at 3:47 PM / IP Logged  

I did not post those relay diagrams. Hotwaterwizard posted those and based on what I see it was a nice try but does not do what I need it to do and is not a accurate representation of the component functionalities.

If you read my circuit description carefully you should understand exactly what I'm looking for. I need a momentary 12v pulse when my ON/OFF switch is turned ON for one circuit and another momentary 12v pulse when the ON/OFF switch is turned OFF for another circuit. The trick here is to get a momentary 12v pulse to the solenoid valve OFF circuit when the power is turned OFF at the switch.

Thanks

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