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Topic: best 6.5 component set?

Posted By: bumpinexploder
Subject: best 6.5 component set?
Date Posted: April 28, 2008 at 7:14 PM

well yet again i need help from the pros. heres the deal. i have a decent set up now with a jbl 4 channel and kicker 6.5 full range and some cheap tweeters. (sound bad, very bad idea to cheap on the tweets. lol) anyways. im selling all of it and am getting an INFINITY REF7541A 4-CHANNEL that puts out 111 RMS @ 4 ohms. now the problem is that i want a set of components that will pop my eardrums. at least for 150 bucks or less. i know thats kinda cheap but its what i got. what is the best value components for that price? i found some infinity refence but wanna hear ALOT more opinions before i buy. thanks alot everyone!

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Pioneer DEH-400UB
Kicker 150.2 mids/highs amp
MB Quart fsa 216 front stage
AudioPipe gd-6001 mono amp
AUDIOQUE SD 15S PREFAB BOX!
C&D Technologies Battery, 1500 CCA, 134 amp storage
149.5 DB's



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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: April 28, 2008 at 7:48 PM
Does anyone have a new Ferrari that I can buy for $ 15000 ??

Not trying to poke fun at you , but that's about what your asking for. You will probably pop your ear drums, but it won't be because of good, solid mid bass posted_image. ARC has a component set for $ 250 that would sound pretty good with that amplifier.... KS 6006 Component set.



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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: April 28, 2008 at 7:50 PM
Go to www.arcaudio.com and check the dealer listing for a dealer near you.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: dragon51
Date Posted: April 28, 2008 at 9:47 PM
Why not keep the JBL amp and put the money for the new amp into the speakers, you will here more of a difference with a better set of speakers than just changing that amp out. Then as your budget upgrade your amp.




Posted By: ragsports
Date Posted: April 28, 2008 at 10:25 PM
The infinity amp you are reffering to does not do well with any component set.  This amp was not designed to run component speakers.  I have owned this amp and have had many friends own it is well.  One was running some crappy power acoustic 6.5 components and it always cut out before clipping, i was personally running infinity kappa perferct 5.25 components and it also cut out all the time..  Basically to make a long story short i did some research and found out this amp was never designed to run any sort of component set.  (A represenative from infinity said this personally) Coaxials run amazing on this amp, but as far as components go the best advice i can give is to get a different amp.  I switched to the JBl 300.4 and would recommend that amp over the infinity any day..




Posted By: jmelton86
Date Posted: April 28, 2008 at 10:36 PM

ragsports wrote:

The infinity amp you are reffering to does not do well with any component set.  This amp was not designed to run component speakers.  I have owned this amp and have had many friends own it is well.  One was running some crappy power acoustic 6.5 components and it always cut out before clipping, i was personally running infinity kappa perferct 5.25 components and it also cut out all the time..  Basically to make a long story short i did some research and found out this amp was never designed to run any sort of component set.  (A represenative from infinity said this personally) Coaxials run amazing on this amp, but as far as components go the best advice i can give is to get a different amp.  I switched to the JBl 300.4 and would recommend that amp over the infinity any day..

Huh?! That doesn't make any sense! If you can power co-axials with the amp, then you can power components, period.



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Posted By: ragsports
Date Posted: April 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM
Sure you could power them just not as well.  It diddent make any sense to me either..  Thats why i did alot of research on them, i finally got through to infinity, and thats what they told me.  I guess it has something to do with their protection citcuit, but then i got thinking, why would infinity make something that wouldnet be able to run a pair of their speakers properly.  Has anyone else came across this problem with this amplifier?  It is hard to expalin what it does when components are connected.  basically you cant even drive the amp into clipping.  all the sudden it will just shut off.  it is very strange... 




Posted By: bumpinexploder
Date Posted: April 28, 2008 at 11:42 PM
ok then what would be a good component amp? the jbl i have is the cs60.4 and only puts out 60 rms and i saw some polk 6.5s that i like that can take 100 rms. wont that under power them?  but thanks velocity motors! lol i just meant whats the best for 150. and im upgrading because i want better sound. all in all i will have about 330 for a new 4 channel amp and a set of components. so now the question is, is there a set of full range speakers that are very loud and clear that will be as loud as components? thanks for all the advice so far

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Pioneer DEH-400UB
Kicker 150.2 mids/highs amp
MB Quart fsa 216 front stage
AudioPipe gd-6001 mono amp
AUDIOQUE SD 15S PREFAB BOX!
C&D Technologies Battery, 1500 CCA, 134 amp storage
149.5 DB's




Posted By: bumpinexploder
Date Posted: April 28, 2008 at 11:54 PM

sorry for double post but hre are some options i have looked at and maybe yall can tell e yay or nay. lol

CADENCE CWM6-KIT 100 RMS

Polk MMC6500 120 RMS

Infinity Kappa Perfect 6.1  100 RMS

DIAMOND AUDIO D662s 75 RMS

those are my options i have found and narrowed down to.



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Pioneer DEH-400UB
Kicker 150.2 mids/highs amp
MB Quart fsa 216 front stage
AudioPipe gd-6001 mono amp
AUDIOQUE SD 15S PREFAB BOX!
C&D Technologies Battery, 1500 CCA, 134 amp storage
149.5 DB's




Posted By: dragon51
Date Posted: April 29, 2008 at 12:06 AM

The amp story sounds like a sales pitch. As for the speakers the best thing you can do is  just go audition some speakers. Just look for a efficient speakers that have a higher db rating. Example 98db rating should be louder than the 86 db speaker at the same power input. But then again every manufacture uses different methods of producing there rating.

If I am wrong someone let me know.





Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: April 29, 2008 at 9:39 AM
ragsports wrote:

The infinity amp you are reffering to does not do well with any component set. This amp was not designed to run component speakers. I have owned this amp and have had many friends own it is well. One was running some crappy power acoustic 6.5 components and it always cut out before clipping, i was personally running infinity kappa perferct 5.25 components and it also cut out all the time.. Basically to make a long story short i did some research and found out this amp was never designed to run any sort of component set. (A represenative from infinity said this personally) Coaxials run amazing on this amp, but as far as components go the best advice i can give is to get a different amp. I switched to the JBl 300.4 and would recommend that amp over the infinity any day..


If an amplifier is cutting out or clipping, it's because the input sensitivity is higher than the recommended input of the amplifier. The amplifier that he stated is enough to power the components but make sure that you use a HU that doesn't output more than 5.5 Vs.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: April 29, 2008 at 2:28 PM
I sell this amp and surprisingly every single one sold has also been sold with a set of component speakers....... they sound just fine when set up PROPERLY as our fearless moderator and resident ping pong expert mentioned. Get good speakers (cough Morel cough), get a good install and enjoy good sound.

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Posted By: bumpinexploder
Date Posted: April 29, 2008 at 4:49 PM

well i have never used components so ill let cartoys install it for me but i was thinking of getting that amp anyways just because of the killer price i found for it. and infinity products are amazing. but back to the question. what pair of components have the clearest sound and would match best with this amp

CADENCE CWM6-KIT 100 RMS

Polk MMC6500 120 RMS

Infinity Kappa Perfect 6.1  100 RMS

DIAMOND AUDIO D662s 75 RMS



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Pioneer DEH-400UB
Kicker 150.2 mids/highs amp
MB Quart fsa 216 front stage
AudioPipe gd-6001 mono amp
AUDIOQUE SD 15S PREFAB BOX!
C&D Technologies Battery, 1500 CCA, 134 amp storage
149.5 DB's




Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: April 29, 2008 at 5:46 PM
The Diamond components hands down. I love the sound of those speakers, especially the D6 series. But then my listening tastes may differ from yours, so it would be best if you audition the speakers yourself and decide which one's you like best.




Posted By: bumpinexploder
Date Posted: April 29, 2008 at 7:51 PM
well thats the thing. circuit doodiey only has like lower polk and eclipse and i dont like the sound. i cant find a dealer near me that sells diamond and high brand polk or infinity. so im going off reviews and other people. like i said, taste wise i like high bright sound because i am setting up an spl crazy setup and need some actually noise to bleed through the db's lol

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Pioneer DEH-400UB
Kicker 150.2 mids/highs amp
MB Quart fsa 216 front stage
AudioPipe gd-6001 mono amp
AUDIOQUE SD 15S PREFAB BOX!
C&D Technologies Battery, 1500 CCA, 134 amp storage
149.5 DB's




Posted By: falconyellow
Date Posted: April 30, 2008 at 1:16 AM
When I auditioned the polks, the DB's and the Momo's have similar tweeter performance, but the mids on the Momo's are much better and make a huge difference. I still would not classify them as audiophile speakers or anything, but they are what I bought because, out of the speakers I auditioned, they sounded the best in their price range. But there are quite a few brands I've never heard, or haven't heard recently, so don't take that as gospel.





Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: April 30, 2008 at 1:20 AM

bumpinexploder wrote:

well thats the thing. circuit doodiey only has like lower polk and eclipse and i dont like the sound. i cant find a dealer near me that sells diamond and high brand polk or infinity. so im going off reviews and other people. like i said, taste wise i like high bright sound because i am setting up an spl crazy setup and need some actually noise to bleed through the db's lol

Then the Diamond speakers won't be a good choice for you.  They have a very smooth top end, which is what I like about them.  If you want bright, look into MB Quart. 





Posted By: bumpinexploder
Date Posted: April 30, 2008 at 4:51 PM
ok i also heard great reviews about the polk mmc6500 what do you guys think of that set?

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Pioneer DEH-400UB
Kicker 150.2 mids/highs amp
MB Quart fsa 216 front stage
AudioPipe gd-6001 mono amp
AUDIOQUE SD 15S PREFAB BOX!
C&D Technologies Battery, 1500 CCA, 134 amp storage
149.5 DB's




Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: April 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Did someone say "bright"? I can think of NONE brighter and more fatiguing than Focal. ANYTHING with their Ti tweeter (GAH!!! Can you say SCREECHINGLY bright?) will do just fine, and take the power you want to throw at 'em for the desired output.

Sure, we are WELL outside your budget, but that's all I got.

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Posted By: bumpinexploder
Date Posted: April 30, 2008 at 6:05 PM
yes i have heard focal at cartoys and i wish i could afford those but unfortuantly 200 is the highest i can spend. and yes i do buy from ebay. and i dont care what other people say it works for me. lol. but back to the polks. anything???

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Pioneer DEH-400UB
Kicker 150.2 mids/highs amp
MB Quart fsa 216 front stage
AudioPipe gd-6001 mono amp
AUDIOQUE SD 15S PREFAB BOX!
C&D Technologies Battery, 1500 CCA, 134 amp storage
149.5 DB's




Posted By: chillin420
Date Posted: April 30, 2008 at 7:08 PM
i installed a pair of the mmc6500s in a honda s2000, runnung off of a eclipse 5 channel with a bazooka tube(not sold in my store, customer loved them)  and they were pretty nice, not the clarity that i go for , but if you are looking more for power and spl they might just do the trick fo you .

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Posted By: bumpinexploder
Date Posted: April 30, 2008 at 7:23 PM
i am looking for spl but not from my components. i want some clear as day components. that why i suggested those infinity perfects. i have herd them and lik,e them but i think i will go with the perfects to match the infinity amp. dont speakers usually sound better if they are matched with the same brand amp. cuz they are made for one another kinda?

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Pioneer DEH-400UB
Kicker 150.2 mids/highs amp
MB Quart fsa 216 front stage
AudioPipe gd-6001 mono amp
AUDIOQUE SD 15S PREFAB BOX!
C&D Technologies Battery, 1500 CCA, 134 amp storage
149.5 DB's




Posted By: falconyellow
Date Posted: April 30, 2008 at 10:06 PM
bumpinexploder wrote:

dont speakers usually sound better if they are matched with the same brand amp. cuz they are made for one another kinda?


Only if you are the one selling that brand of components, then you tell your customers that so they will buy everything from you in order to save the possible embarrassment of bad sound. In reality, most pro systems only use like components because they got them for free from the manufacture, or because they own a shop and that's what they sell. An amp should do one thing well, amplify the input signal without changing it in any other way. If it does that well, it doesn't matter what speaker it's driving, it will drive it as best it can. The only "matching" you'd want to consider will be power handling. I.E. don't put a 1000 watt amp on a 10 watt RMS speaker and crank the volume.





Posted By: bumpinexploder
Date Posted: May 01, 2008 at 7:16 AM
got it. thanks alot for you guys help!

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Pioneer DEH-400UB
Kicker 150.2 mids/highs amp
MB Quart fsa 216 front stage
AudioPipe gd-6001 mono amp
AUDIOQUE SD 15S PREFAB BOX!
C&D Technologies Battery, 1500 CCA, 134 amp storage
149.5 DB's




Posted By: bumpinexploder
Date Posted: May 02, 2008 at 4:44 PM
how much of a differance in clarity and loudness will the infinity perfects be form the reference 6020cs. theres a big differance on price and i was wonderin if theres a big differance on sound??

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Pioneer DEH-400UB
Kicker 150.2 mids/highs amp
MB Quart fsa 216 front stage
AudioPipe gd-6001 mono amp
AUDIOQUE SD 15S PREFAB BOX!
C&D Technologies Battery, 1500 CCA, 134 amp storage
149.5 DB's




Posted By: dragon51
Date Posted: May 02, 2008 at 6:32 PM

Go check them out for yourself cause what I here and like may not be what you like. Advice on speakers can only go so far before you have to check out what people are suggesting. Just take a CD that your familiar with then have the  bass and treble bla bla bla set to zero and the amp if one is used. Since you want the best judgment on how the speaker will sound. Just remember it will sound different in your car. Do to lots of factors placement bla bla bla

 

There has been some really good advice on what speakers to check out now spend a few days checking them out.





Posted By: bumpinexploder
Date Posted: May 02, 2008 at 6:46 PM
you are right but the only ones i am able to hear are the infinitys. (cartoys) theres no actual shops near me. only best buy and circuit city. but thanks for all the input guys!

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Pioneer DEH-400UB
Kicker 150.2 mids/highs amp
MB Quart fsa 216 front stage
AudioPipe gd-6001 mono amp
AUDIOQUE SD 15S PREFAB BOX!
C&D Technologies Battery, 1500 CCA, 134 amp storage
149.5 DB's




Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: May 03, 2008 at 1:45 PM

bumpinexploder wrote:

yes i have heard focal at cartoys and i wish i could afford those but unfortuantly 200 is the highest i can spend

bumpinexploder wrote:

you are right but the only ones i am able to hear are the infinitys. (cartoys) theres no actual shops near me. only best buy and circuit city.

I'm not sure of CarToys would sell you a used Reference coaxial for a mere $200.  That is the highest priced brick-and-mortar shop I've EVER been inside.

I've NEVER encountered sales people with the prolific combination of ego and incompetence that prevades CarToys - NEVER.  I would NOT partronize these clowns.

That said, I can't say I'm too fond of ANY of the choices you've come up with - the Focal's are probably the 'best' in terms of concensus - but I agree with haemph - the tweeters are searing.

I'm thinking there are many good choices for $200 - but not as long as you are in CarToys, that's for sure.

I think recommendations for componets are difficult without this question: how sensitive are you to bright sound and sibilance?



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Posted By: bumpinexploder
Date Posted: May 03, 2008 at 5:52 PM
i am in 100% agreeance to the cartoys jokes! i hte them but im sayin thats all thats hear. lol to listen to not buy though. but i like very bright sound so i think im going to get the infinity perfects if i can but most likely just the 6020 referances.

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Pioneer DEH-400UB
Kicker 150.2 mids/highs amp
MB Quart fsa 216 front stage
AudioPipe gd-6001 mono amp
AUDIOQUE SD 15S PREFAB BOX!
C&D Technologies Battery, 1500 CCA, 134 amp storage
149.5 DB's




Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: May 04, 2008 at 2:34 AM

Infinity componets are notoriously bright - the only Perfect componet system I've heard was in a - *crazy* install* lemmie tell ya - so I'm not sure how'd much I extrapolate to ur situation . . .

Have you heard JL Audio componets?  Are they too bright or not bright enough?  I've always like the JL VR series componet set - with the tweeter switch on full output, perhaps this would be a good choice . . . very bright and etched sound - but with much cleaner tonality than what Infinity offers, IMO. . .

Street price should be ~$200 . .



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"I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview




Posted By: bumpinexploder
Date Posted: May 04, 2008 at 12:47 PM
200 msrp or ebay? i shop ebay and just buy the warrenty. lol

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Pioneer DEH-400UB
Kicker 150.2 mids/highs amp
MB Quart fsa 216 front stage
AudioPipe gd-6001 mono amp
AUDIOQUE SD 15S PREFAB BOX!
C&D Technologies Battery, 1500 CCA, 134 amp storage
149.5 DB's




Posted By: bkoepp2
Date Posted: May 04, 2008 at 10:55 PM
Maybe looked for some used sets of components. Just be careful when installing them!

If you're going to put them into doors, you should consider deadening the doors a bit with some RAAMMAT BXT or something similar. BXT is the cheapest quality stuff I've found. Maybe split an order with a friend, that's what I did...

If you're just into bass the f' the door deadening.




Posted By: bumpinexploder
Date Posted: May 05, 2008 at 7:15 AM
yea i bought some rattle trap stuff. its .80 mil thick. pretty decent stuff.

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Pioneer DEH-400UB
Kicker 150.2 mids/highs amp
MB Quart fsa 216 front stage
AudioPipe gd-6001 mono amp
AUDIOQUE SD 15S PREFAB BOX!
C&D Technologies Battery, 1500 CCA, 134 amp storage
149.5 DB's





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