extra speakers
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Forum Name: Car Audio
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Topic: extra speakers
Posted By: feller21
Subject: extra speakers
Date Posted: March 23, 2013 at 6:34 PM
My question is fairly simple but complex to me. How would I add another set or 2 extra sets of speakers to my car? I am running all components 1n the 2 locations but would like to add another set of midranges in the rear. How would I get a signal to get to these speakers to add to the 4 hookups? I don't mind adding additional amplifier but I'm lost on how it would receive an audio signal to identify it is there?
Thanks y'all
Feller21
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98' civic
Clarion DXZ945mp DECK
PPI 6X9
PPI 6.5 COMPS
Cadence 5.25's
RE XT 800.4 AMP
RE DTS 1500.1 AMP
Equake TNT 2000/1wd AMP
powerbass XAX 2150hd AMP
ALUMAPRO BP 10" SUB
PPI PC124 12" SUB
Replies:
Posted By: feller21
Date Posted: March 23, 2013 at 6:48 PM
1998 HONDA CIVIC EX
KENWOOD EXCELON KDC X496 DECK
RE AUDIO 6X9 RF REAR
RE AUDIO 6.5 COMP C FRONTS
RE AUDIO XT 800.4 AMP
RE AUDIO DTS 1500.1 MONO AMP
RE AUDIO XT 1600.2 V3 2 CHANNEL
ALUMAPRO BP 10: BAND PASS SUB
2 PHOENIX GOLD TX 10" TANTRUM SUBS
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98' civic
Clarion DXZ945mp DECK
PPI 6X9
PPI 6.5 COMPS
Cadence 5.25's
RE XT 800.4 AMP
RE DTS 1500.1 AMP
Equake TNT 2000/1wd AMP
powerbass XAX 2150hd AMP
ALUMAPRO BP 10" SUB
PPI PC124 12" SUB
Posted By: z03mz03m
Date Posted: March 26, 2013 at 5:46 AM
If your current speakers(and the new ones) are 4 ohms you could just hook the 3rd set of speakers up to the same 4 ch amp you have in parallel to either the front left and right or rear left and right, which would decrease the load to the amplifier to 2 ohms increasing the amount of power it puts out.
If you add another amplifier then you would have to use the RCA output from the current 4ch amp (right side black RCA OUT on image below) to go to the new amplifier.
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Pioneer DEH-80PRS - PPI Amps - Dayton Subwoofer(s) - Exodus Anarchy's - Vifa Tweeters - Kinetik Battery
Posted By: feller21
Date Posted: March 26, 2013 at 4:13 PM
THAT IS SIMPLE HUH?, THANK YOU FOR THE TIP AND MORESO FOR PULLING UP MY AMP AND SHOWING ME ON THAT DIAGRAM!!!
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98' civic
Clarion DXZ945mp DECK
PPI 6X9
PPI 6.5 COMPS
Cadence 5.25's
RE XT 800.4 AMP
RE DTS 1500.1 AMP
Equake TNT 2000/1wd AMP
powerbass XAX 2150hd AMP
ALUMAPRO BP 10" SUB
PPI PC124 12" SUB
Posted By: feller21
Date Posted: March 26, 2013 at 4:47 PM
ACTUALLY I FORGOT THEY ARE 8 OHM MIDS, I WANTED TO GET A SET OF TWEETS AND A CROSSOVER SO MAYBE THAT WOULD BRING EM BACK DOWN TO 4 OHM AGAIN??
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98' civic
Clarion DXZ945mp DECK
PPI 6X9
PPI 6.5 COMPS
Cadence 5.25's
RE XT 800.4 AMP
RE DTS 1500.1 AMP
Equake TNT 2000/1wd AMP
powerbass XAX 2150hd AMP
ALUMAPRO BP 10" SUB
PPI PC124 12" SUB
Posted By: z03mz03m
Date Posted: March 26, 2013 at 5:43 PM
#1 Please stop typing in caps...it's annoying and against the Forum Rules and Guidlines
On this page there are calculators to answer your question.
What are you trying to accomplish by adding more speakers? ------------- Dodge Magnum in progress:
Pioneer DEH-80PRS - PPI Amps - Dayton Subwoofer(s) - Exodus Anarchy's - Vifa Tweeters - Kinetik Battery
Posted By: feller21
Date Posted: March 26, 2013 at 6:03 PM
I apologize for the caps, it's easier typing in all caps and quite frankly nothing i said or asked was rude in anyway. I gotta say that forums are way too Fraternity ran for me. Just looking to get advice and it is obvious to anyone that my Caps aren't rude except for the people who are so easily insulted that it drives them crazy to see it. Sorry for the rant and i know i will be booted for this but every forum i have tried are way too sensitive and treat newbies like crap. I'm trying to get more midranges sound in my car to answer your question. It is not a necessity just a want, it need not happen just wanted to use these nice mids that fell in my lap is all. thanks for your info and sorry to offend you or any other member of this forum.
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98' civic
Clarion DXZ945mp DECK
PPI 6X9
PPI 6.5 COMPS
Cadence 5.25's
RE XT 800.4 AMP
RE DTS 1500.1 AMP
Equake TNT 2000/1wd AMP
powerbass XAX 2150hd AMP
ALUMAPRO BP 10" SUB
PPI PC124 12" SUB
Posted By: z03mz03m
Date Posted: March 26, 2013 at 6:42 PM
No offense taken here, its simply easier for me to read lower case  . But if you want help from some of the more experienced members its best to read the rules to enable us to easily help you.
Can you be more specific than "midranges"
high-frequencies (symbols, piccolo)
mid-range (voices, violin)
mid-bass (drums/bass guitar)
bass (bass drum/bass guitar)
sub bass (low notes on bass guitar)
I have a feeling you may be looking for more mid-bass which is a common thing in car audio. If you go to forums, car audio hot topics, how to "achieve awesome mid-bass" that may help you decide the best way to achieve your goal. If you read it you will see how adding more speakers is not necessarily the solution.
What are the speakers you have that you are considering putting in?
------------- Dodge Magnum in progress:
Pioneer DEH-80PRS - PPI Amps - Dayton Subwoofer(s) - Exodus Anarchy's - Vifa Tweeters - Kinetik Battery
Posted By: feller21
Date Posted: March 26, 2013 at 7:41 PM
It may fix itself by pulling my 6x9's and adding these mids with seperate tweets and a crossover. i don't believe i get the best sound from my rear 6x9's and instead of adding additional speakers I may just put in these mids. they are Cadence FX6M8's which means 8 ohm, my front staging is great but rear is not so great. Instead of buying more speakers I thought I would just add these in some pods my friend builds and originally didn't know how to add. You described that well and I may do it or pull 6x9's and put these in as they were free, and on top of that they were chosen by Audioclubonline.com's audio van after rehearsing over 30 midrange speakers they chose these Cadence mids so that is why. I am pretty informed but no expert and i have a lot crammed into my civic already but just want to audition these and make a decision on having heard the mids instead of just leaving in a box. I listen to hard/alt rock and sometimes I lose some of the snare, or acoustical guitar in the sound system I have put together. In essence I feel I am lacking in the mid range category and why not try free mids out and then say that ain't the fix, try something else?? They each way like 6.5 lbs and are highly reviewed. That is all really. Again Thanks for your advice!!
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98' civic
Clarion DXZ945mp DECK
PPI 6X9
PPI 6.5 COMPS
Cadence 5.25's
RE XT 800.4 AMP
RE DTS 1500.1 AMP
Equake TNT 2000/1wd AMP
powerbass XAX 2150hd AMP
ALUMAPRO BP 10" SUB
PPI PC124 12" SUB
Posted By: feller21
Date Posted: March 28, 2013 at 7:25 PM
Hey z03mz03m, I appreciate your advice and found a great post about mids like you said to do. I think I will pull my 6x9's and put in some 6.5 comps in some pods built by a friend. But great advice and I am seeing that mids were really designed for using 2 to 20 in show vans or to get extreme output not necessarily better sound. I have another question for you and I haven't found a post on this and my local audio guy has me a bit confused. If I have 2 single 4 ohm subs, i know that 1 ohm mono is not an option so I will need an amp stable at 2ohm correct? if this be the case, is it actually running that 2 ohm stable amp bridged in stereo to get equal power to each sub? In other words, if an amp is 400watts mono stable at 2ohm, i will get 400 watts to each sub correct? Is this done by running bridged mode back to 4 ohm? or even easier yet, with 2 single 4 ohm subs can they be run in 2 ohm by 2 or does it need to be 4 ohm? I have looked at the subwoofer wiring chart and it still confuses me that a 400 mono amp will send 400 watts to each sub where I thought the power was split between the 2. I know freshman stuff here but I have been looking at amplifiers all wrong over the years. Any advice welcome Sir!!
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98' civic
Clarion DXZ945mp DECK
PPI 6X9
PPI 6.5 COMPS
Cadence 5.25's
RE XT 800.4 AMP
RE DTS 1500.1 AMP
Equake TNT 2000/1wd AMP
powerbass XAX 2150hd AMP
ALUMAPRO BP 10" SUB
PPI PC124 12" SUB
Posted By: z03mz03m
Date Posted: March 28, 2013 at 9:53 PM
You are over complicating it.
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Dodge Magnum in progress:
Pioneer DEH-80PRS - PPI Amps - Dayton Subwoofer(s) - Exodus Anarchy's - Vifa Tweeters - Kinetik Battery
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 28, 2013 at 11:29 PM
Always check the Hot Topics forum. If you want more midbass or midrange, look at these tips.
How To Get More Midbass
As far as the comments concerning typing in all caps, etc, please read the forum rules. We take these rules seriously, as this forum is a professional venue for installers and those trying to learn from them. The friendly warning you were given by another member was just that, friendly. :)
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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 28, 2013 at 11:32 PM
By the way, whoever drew that wiring onto the image above is really wrong, unless I'm misinterpreting it. NEVER connect one amp to another unless you want blown fuses and perhaps blown amps. What that diagram shows would short the outputs of one amp to the other and should never be done! That diagram is a real mess. I'm going to delete it so no one ever tries that. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: z03mz03m
Date Posted: March 29, 2013 at 5:05 AM
DYohn] wrote:
By the way, whoever drew that wiring onto the image above is really wrong, unless I'm misinterpreting it. NEVER connect one amp to another unless you want blown fuses and perhaps blown amps. What that diagram shows would short the outputs of one amp to the other and should never be done! That diagram is a real mess. I'm going to delete it so no one ever tries that.
You were to some degree...I was attempting to show a few different scenarios/options on one image. I didn't even think that it might be interpreted that all amps where being used at once. I'll clarify it and make it into multiple images instead of one. ------------- Dodge Magnum in progress:
Pioneer DEH-80PRS - PPI Amps - Dayton Subwoofer(s) - Exodus Anarchy's - Vifa Tweeters - Kinetik Battery
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 29, 2013 at 11:14 AM
Yes, well you really don't need to do that when we have pretty much all of the possible woofer wiring configuration options covered right here. https://www.the12volt.com/caraudio/woofer_configurations.asp------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: z03mz03m
Date Posted: March 29, 2013 at 1:13 PM
DYhon, I have already provided feller21 with a link to the wiring calc and directions to the mid bass post. He said in his last post that the sub wiring calc was still confusing to him so I figured that I would use some pretty colors and pictures.
Feller21, if you wire the two 4ohm subs in parallel the resistance will be 2ohm just like you said. Think of the 2 subs as one system now. If they are both rated at 200watts RMS then connecting that sub system to a mono amplifier rated at 400watts RMS @ 2ohm will provide the system with the recommended power. If the subs are rated at 400watts RMS then the 400watt AMP will only be providing the system with half of the recommended power.
I did this on my Note 2 and The mobile site has been improved since the last time that I used it BTW. The scrolling bug is fixed and it works great now.
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Dodge Magnum in progress:
Pioneer DEH-80PRS - PPI Amps - Dayton Subwoofer(s) - Exodus Anarchy's - Vifa Tweeters - Kinetik Battery
Posted By: feller21
Date Posted: March 29, 2013 at 6:26 PM
Thanks for the pretty colors and pictures and sorry I have caused such a raucous on your forum site. I'll simplify this as best I can. My audio guy said to me on the phone that 2 single 4 ohm subs wired to a 500 watt mono sub @2ohm stable will deliver 500 watts to each sub, I thought it was split down to 250 each. That is all I am confused about. I get the wiring parallel and series parallel I understand all that. I just want to make sure he is right. 2)same scenario with subs, if I have a mono amp that says 500 x 1 @4ohm, 700 x 1 @ 2ohm, and 1000 watts @1 ohm, do i have the option of using the 2 ohm load so 700 x my 2 subs or will I need to use the 4 ohm mode? If I could speak on phone with somebody I could sound a whole lot more informed than you guys seem to think I am so don't fight over me as if I am a 17 year old, I am a diabled Golf Course Superintendent so I am picking up the sarcasm and it isn't necessary over a question that is simple to you but not so much to me. Sorry!!
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98' civic
Clarion DXZ945mp DECK
PPI 6X9
PPI 6.5 COMPS
Cadence 5.25's
RE XT 800.4 AMP
RE DTS 1500.1 AMP
Equake TNT 2000/1wd AMP
powerbass XAX 2150hd AMP
ALUMAPRO BP 10" SUB
PPI PC124 12" SUB
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 29, 2013 at 8:17 PM
Your amp can only produce what it produces. If you connect two subs to it (with equal impedance from each sub) then the power will be split. So, if your amp produces 500 watts into 2 ohms, and you connect 2 x 4-ohm subs in parallel for a net 2-ohm load, then each sub will be able to use 250 watts. There is nothing magical about it. :) ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: feller21
Date Posted: April 17, 2013 at 10:31 PM
Now that I understand the amplifier situation, I have a follow up question. My friend builds speaker pods and made me a set to put in my rear dash and I already had a set of 5.25" Auditor components for them. I have a 4 channel amp and all my speakers are 4 ohm, including the Auditor 5.25" speakers. My question on this is a little more straight forward than my last. If I add the new pods with the 5.25"s we will call them the Auditors for short. I have 6x9 in the rear locations off my 4 channel amp at 4 ohms, can i hook up the Auditors to the rear 2 channels which will drop the ohm load to 2 ohm? Will that work with 4 ohm speakers or will it fry them or screw up my amp. My plan was to just remove the 6x9's and put the Auditors in but if I can somehow keep the 6x9's hooked up maybe to just deck power and amplify the Auditors or can I hook both sets up to the amp bringing it to 2 ohms or will that not work well and damage something? Pretty easy question to you experts and if I have to use just deck power that is fine too but curious what 2 ohm load will do to 4 speakers off 2 4ohm channels?? Thank You
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98' civic
Clarion DXZ945mp DECK
PPI 6X9
PPI 6.5 COMPS
Cadence 5.25's
RE XT 800.4 AMP
RE DTS 1500.1 AMP
Equake TNT 2000/1wd AMP
powerbass XAX 2150hd AMP
ALUMAPRO BP 10" SUB
PPI PC124 12" SUB
Posted By: z03mz03m
Date Posted: April 19, 2013 at 7:47 AM
z03mz03m wrote:
If your current speakers(and the new ones) are 4 ohms you could just hook the 3rd set of speakers up to the same 4 ch amp you have in parallel to either the front left and right or rear left and right, which would decrease the load to the amplifier to 2 ohms increasing the amount of power it puts out.
Sooo...
can i hook up the Auditors to the rear 2 channels which will drop the ohm load to 2 ohm? Yes
Will that work with 4 ohm speakers Yes or will it fry them or screw up my amp. No
keep the 6x9's hooked up maybe to just deck power and amplify the Auditors or can I hook both sets up to the amp bringing it to 2 ohms Yes or Yes
will that not work well and damage something? No
curious what 2 ohm load will do to 4 speakers off 2 4ohm channels?? This makes no sense ------------- Dodge Magnum in progress:
Pioneer DEH-80PRS - PPI Amps - Dayton Subwoofer(s) - Exodus Anarchy's - Vifa Tweeters - Kinetik Battery
Posted By: feller21
Date Posted: April 19, 2013 at 1:30 PM
Thank you very much z03mz03m!! That was so very nice of you to lay it out like that and completely makes sense to me. Thank you!!
Feller21
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98' civic
Clarion DXZ945mp DECK
PPI 6X9
PPI 6.5 COMPS
Cadence 5.25's
RE XT 800.4 AMP
RE DTS 1500.1 AMP
Equake TNT 2000/1wd AMP
powerbass XAX 2150hd AMP
ALUMAPRO BP 10" SUB
PPI PC124 12" SUB
Posted By: feller21
Date Posted: April 28, 2013 at 7:19 PM
Hey thank you so much guys especially z03mz03m!! Another question easy for you guys not so much for me. I have grasped the amplifier thing I believe but some follow up questions for you and in particular z03mz03m cause you are up to date and know my scenario well. If I hook up 2 sets to each of my back channels my amp will drop to 2ohm right? Well I assume the front 2 channels will stay in 4 ohm x 2 right? well I bought a couple nice gravity tweeters to put up front that require a bit of juice. Does the same thing apply to 4 ohm tweeters hooked up to my front 2 channels while dropping the front 2 to 2 ohm? Will this work out as it will with the rear or will this be to much on my amp or is this ok too?? So in essence I will be adding 2 5.25 auditors in the pods to the back 2 channels. And I hope I can do the same with the front 2 amp channels with the tweeters. I will have the option of using deck power if necessary but if I can use the amp better yet I figure. Any advise, instruction or recommendations welcomed here!! If I have to use deck power for any reason it will probably be to the rear 6x9's I guess. Furthermore, will this affect power consumption from amp to battery a lot or not much? I'm certain my amp kits are both 4 gauge and I wonder will that have to be altered at all at the distribution block?? Thank you very much Z03 for short if you don't mind, if you do I apologize ahead of time and let me know please!!
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98' civic
Clarion DXZ945mp DECK
PPI 6X9
PPI 6.5 COMPS
Cadence 5.25's
RE XT 800.4 AMP
RE DTS 1500.1 AMP
Equake TNT 2000/1wd AMP
powerbass XAX 2150hd AMP
ALUMAPRO BP 10" SUB
PPI PC124 12" SUB
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