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Topic: rear speaker wire by the power wire

Posted By: egull
Subject: rear speaker wire by the power wire
Date Posted: October 07, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Dumb question but just ran into this. My rear speaker wire is next to the power wire....is this OK? Let me say that I ran the speaker wire on separate sides from the power wire except that my rear speaker (only 1)is side by side to the power wire for only 2 feet. The only way I see to rewire it is to go around the amp & convertible top motor....problem is the speaker wire isn't long enough to do this.

Just wanted to know if this would cause noise?

Thanks for the help & I hope this problem isn't on another thread.



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: October 08, 2014 at 1:35 PM
Do you hear noise in your system? If not, then it's OK.

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Posted By: egull
Date Posted: October 08, 2014 at 8:20 PM
Haven't got it all hooked up yet. But I'll check that out when I do....thanks




Posted By: soundnsecurity
Date Posted: October 08, 2014 at 10:37 PM
i have never seen noise come from having the speaker and power wire next to each other, im not sure if that is even possible to induce noise through the outputs of an amp.




Posted By: egull
Date Posted: October 08, 2014 at 10:46 PM
Well after reading how to install the amp they say to run speaker wire one 1 side & power wire on the other side of the car. So that's why I asked.




Posted By: soundnsecurity
Date Posted: October 08, 2014 at 11:02 PM
yea its all good man, manuals usually tell you to do a lot of things that arent really necessary. in 10 years of installing ive never had a problem with where i run the speaker wires. only the rca cords can placement near the power wire ,or any other power source like the AC blower motor or power seat motors, become a noise problem.

i usually run the speaker wires and RCA wires together on one side, because they both usually go to the same place and the power wire on the other side by itself. this way usually makes it easier to run and hide the wires under the door kick and running board panels by keeping the size of each wire bundle as small as possible.




Posted By: egull
Date Posted: October 08, 2014 at 11:28 PM
soundsecurity,

Thanks for the advice. Since you have been doing installs for years. My male connector came of the rg59 coax cable in my 95 ford mustang....any idea as how I can fix this? Can't get any am/fm reception. Was told to get antenna extension...sound right?

Thanks for the advice




Posted By: oldspark
Date Posted: October 09, 2014 at 2:43 AM
FWIW, I agree. Manuals say stuff to play safe and cover the 5% of exceptions.
Tho power & signal or speakers should not be run together, that's to prevent noise injection. But if noise is not being injected, then (by definition) it should be fine. (It's not as if it's going to inject some DC offset that will blow circuitry.)

I've read of some installs where speakers (wires) can pick up noise - and more so high impedance (low power) pre-amp inputs etc - but that can be due to dc converters or inverters or other electronics (sharing the same power or simply being exceptionally noisy) or lack of quality in cabling or connectors.

If you are not getting any noise, or power pops (other things turning on-off causing noise - tho that can be thru the HU or amp's power and not due to cable runs), then you should be fine.




Posted By: soundnsecurity
Date Posted: October 09, 2014 at 6:35 AM
ok, so your antenna connector fell off of the cable? not an easy fix but its possible. is the tip still attached to the small center wire or did it completely fall off?

if the center is still connected to the tip then carefully put the sleeve back around the coax wire and try to re-crimp it with some pliers and then use some good electrical tape on the edge where the connector meets the coax wire just to give it extra support.

if the tip broke off completely then you will need an antenna extension, honestly any antenna adapter with the same tip will do. you will need to strip each antenna cable down to the outer shield wires and then down farther to the tiny center wire. the center wire is super delicate so be careful not to knick the wire when stripping the insulation off. leave about an inch of the center wire sticking out about each side.

move the shield wires out of the way and gently take the center wire and twist them together so that they make contact but not too tight because it will break off and you'll have to strip more and start over. once you have the wires twisted together you will need to solder them together, nothing else other than solder will work because any kind of physical connector will break the wire.

once you have those soldered i like to use hot glue to replace the inner core insulation and give the wire strength again. be careful not to move the wire a lot, too much bending or movement will break the wire and you have to start over.

let the hot glue dry completely before you do anything else to the wire. once its dry and the gap between the coax wires is filled in with hot glue, take a little bundle of the outer shield wires from each end and twist those together and solder them together. remember at this point you still have to be very gentle with the wire because it can still break if you bend it too much.

after everything is soldered back together wrap the spliced area with good electrical tape. you need to wrap it tightly but you still need to be careful. wrap the wire up to about two inches on each side of the splice. the durability of the whole splice depends on how many times you wrap it with tape so dont hold back, id give it at least 5 or 6 wraps around the whole length of your splice.

now you are finished, plug it back into the radio and test.




Posted By: egull
Date Posted: October 09, 2014 at 9:07 AM
soundnsecurity,

the male end came off, when I took out the radio...also the cable is L shaped at the end with a metal band around it (the tip)




Posted By: soundnsecurity
Date Posted: October 09, 2014 at 4:43 PM
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does the end that came off look something like this? if so then this is a universal style antenna that is common on fords. you can use any type of aftermarket antenna adapter and just cut the end off to splice it to your factory broken end.




Posted By: egull
Date Posted: October 10, 2014 at 12:40 PM
Yes that's it




Posted By: soundnsecurity
Date Posted: October 11, 2014 at 9:08 PM
ok, so just buy any aftermarket antenna adapter, a cheap one will be around $4 - $5. you might want to opt for one that is longer because this will give you more room for mistakes if the core wire breaks while you are fixing it. if you arent used to handling delicate wires and soldering wire then you will probably break the wire a few times before you get it right. it took me a few times to get it right and i was being careful so prepare to get frustrated when you go to fix this antenna.




Posted By: soundnsecurity
Date Posted: October 11, 2014 at 9:13 PM
another option might be just to run a whole new antenna wire if you want to go through the trouble of tracing the antenna cable all the way back to the antenna or there might even be a junction somewhere in the middle of the run that you can just unplug and then just buy an extension long enough to make it back to the radio.




Posted By: egull
Date Posted: October 11, 2014 at 9:22 PM
LOL...I thought the factory cable was rg59 coax? Am I correct? It's a 95 mustang. So if that's true can't I just use compression plugs with a barrel connector to join the 2 ends? as I thought this was coax cable. If not what am I looking at? Splicing & soldering the cable together? Sounds like a pain in the a@@...lol




Posted By: soundnsecurity
Date Posted: October 12, 2014 at 5:45 PM
yes sir it is indeed a pain to solder this coax but not all coax wire is made to the same specs. i honestly didnt even think of using a house connector and couplings and you might be able to do that if the size of the cable will fit snugly into the compression fittings. the only problem that i see with this way is the fact that the center wire is extremely thin and brittle. its not like a home coax cable where the center core wire has some degree of strength, so it might not work well with any kind of fitting. the factory fitting that fell off was a soldered connector for a reas




Posted By: egull
Date Posted: October 12, 2014 at 8:41 PM
I understand what you are saying about the wire not being the same. The connector that fell off wasn't soldered...I would post a pic but I don't think I can. I could send a link to photo bucket if you like. I was thinking that if I could find a piece of rg59 to see if the end that came off would fit on that piece then I could then see if I could get it to connect. Just an idea not sure it will work....lol

Here's a link to the photo
https://s1174.photobucket.com/user/egull64/media/ANTENNAWIRE_zps13bdf242.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0




Posted By: soundnsecurity
Date Posted: October 13, 2014 at 10:47 AM
ok so you actually still have part of the tip still connected. i think you'll have to cut the rest off to make anything else work.




Posted By: egull
Date Posted: October 13, 2014 at 11:18 AM
Yes I have the tip & yes I'll need to cut the original wire. Does the end that looks like a spark plug boot just plug into the old wire? Or doo you cut the boot off & splice? I'm assuming the latter.




Posted By: soundnsecurity
Date Posted: October 13, 2014 at 1:57 PM
no it does not just plug in, its definitely broken. id cut it off and either splice it together or use some sort of connector if you can find something that will work.




Posted By: egull
Date Posted: October 13, 2014 at 2:31 PM
Thanks, that's what I'm trying to figure out....what will work as I have some rg6 cable. Was wondering if I can connect rg59 to the rg6?...do you know?




Posted By: soundnsecurity
Date Posted: October 13, 2014 at 2:47 PM
no i dont know if there is a difference in rg56 and rg6 cable. i deal with rg6 cable pretty regularly running it in houses but i do know that it had a thicker core wire than anything ive seen in a car's antenna wire. there may be certain fittings you can use but i dont know what those might be.




Posted By: egull
Date Posted: October 13, 2014 at 3:27 PM
I just compared the wires & the rg6 looks bigger than the original wire in the car. Was trying to figure out what size wire the car has....I went to a mustang forum and a guy said it was rg59but I'm not sure....do you know what the best way to tell the size of wire? I've tried looking on the cable but can't tell





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