MTX Thunder 8000’s
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Printed Date: October 31, 2024 at 7:13 PM
Topic: MTX Thunder 8000’s
Posted By: HumbleI
Subject: MTX Thunder 8000’s
Date Posted: August 16, 2003 at 10:20 AM
Ok Ive decided to run my two MTX 8000's with a one Alpine V12 2/1 channel Amp ( MRV-1507 ) and a one farad batery caps. what gauge wire should I run?? I was thinking of 0 because that woudl be better...... I have two Mtx 6000 12" subs for sale, Brand New, I dont want to use them because I think itd be dumb to run two different kinds of subs??? any opinions??? My car is a 1994 honda accord.... trunk space is limited...does anyone have any experience with the 8000's?? any install pics?? Im lookng for ideas..... I dont want to spend alot of cash to put this in, I have pretty much everything I need except for the wire and RCA's, Amp kit, all that jazzz...... but Im looking for opinions!! thanks!!! peace- Selah
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Posted By: brianh
Date Posted: August 16, 2003 at 11:13 AM
I would run a 4 guage feed to that amp. That should be plenty.
Brian
Sight & Sound Car Stereo
Posted By: Big Purds
Date Posted: August 16, 2003 at 2:53 PM
the 6000s sound nicer than the 8000s, but arent quite as loud...I wouldnt mix subs cuz you will get some cancellation...personally I would run with the 6000s, but I had a bad experience with the 8000s...if you do go with 6000s you have to be a little conservative with the gains on the 1507...there is a potential for you to blwo them if you get gain happy...
honestly I would run 1/0 because that will allow room for upgrades in the future...brian was right, a 4ga wire would feed that amp, but if you add a second amp that draws much power you are screwed again...
Posted By: HumbleI
Date Posted: August 16, 2003 at 5:59 PM
and what was your bad experience with the 8000's?? Im havin a dealer put it in..... he said itll run about 1000-1200 I dont get this because I went somewhere else, and he said he could hook me up with two rockford He2's two 500w rockford amps and 1 farad battery caps. and wire all everything installed for like 1300 .... does that sound right....for it to be 1200 all the guy is doing is building a custom box... and getting an namp wiring kit and 1/0 wires and a yellow top battery, I think hes gong to put in a circut breaker in the front and a larger alternator cable... and I think we are going to go with silver battery terminals ... I cant remmember... but does that sound right or is there a cheaper way to do this?? from what he said he would be doing, I think I could prob have one of my friends put the same shiz in... for next to nothing... but this is the first system I am hooking up so I have not too much of an idea about waht I am doing..... the guy I bought the subs from was running both 6000's and 8000's... thats not good right?? so your saying I should go with the 6000's??? when you ay they are not as loud, by how much??? I do want it to be sounding great but I also want people to know I am coming , seen? so just get back to me bout that.. thanks much.... peace, love and guidance.... Selah
Posted By: MAXST
Date Posted: August 16, 2003 at 6:07 PM
to me,thats a rip off..you concider building your own? course not many ppl are mechanically inclinde like others...but isnt building your own system like part of it. Also if somethhing goes wrong...you'll know what to do. ------------- I need quality equipment, feel free to donate.
Posted By: HumbleI
Date Posted: August 16, 2003 at 6:29 PM
yeah thats waht I want to do, I have no Idea how to build a box for the subs.... where do I start??? I would definately like to hook it all up myself, well most of it, as much as I can... with out blowing up my car.... Im good with electrical and carpentry stuff... but when you put it into a car , its a different language to me... what kind of box would be best for the 6000's??? 8000's ?? how would I get/make plans to build one??? and which subs would be better to run?? thanks.....! Selah
Posted By: wizzle
Date Posted: August 17, 2003 at 2:38 AM
what type of sound are you going for? what type of music do you mainly listen too. again, i agree with Purds. Run 1/0 power wire. I've dealt with mtx for years, and I also prefer the sound of the 6000's over the 8000's. And (of course depending on the enclosure,spl or sq) there will not be too much of a noticeable difference in loudness. the 6000's seem to have a warmer better sq sound, to me anyways. But, i have a feeling that you are not so much into the sound quality, but more wanting some good boom. If that is the case, run the 8000's. stick with the mtx. With a 1507 running it, go for the better sounding speaker. There is not to much bad about the HE2's, but they won't sound as good as either the 6000's or 8000's.
Posted By: HumbleI
Date Posted: August 17, 2003 at 9:27 AM
I am going for boom, but I also want it to be smooth... Im thinking that since the box specs for both of them are pretty close, Im going to run the 8000's for a few weeks and then try the 6000's see which ones I like best?? I listen to alot of reggae, and rap, they ususally music with big basslines.... I will be running 1/0 wire, thats a given lol from what I here that amp could power all four of them if I bridged it right.... thats another question, the kid I I bought them from ran all four, he had the two 8000's and a 6000 in one box and another 6000 in a box he kept up front..... thats not good right?? I mean Im no exprt but I dont think you should be running two different kinds of subs with different specs and stuff.... I mean theyre pretty muich the same with box specs but overall not... theyre two different subs.... I dont want this system to sound like sh*t...Id like the bass to be heavy but not disguisting.... so is running one set a few weeks then running the others a good Idea or no?? what are sq or spl enclosures??? thankx..... Im still looking for someone to put it in....but I think I might have found someone so its good and hed prob do it for next to nothing... Peace love and guidance, thanks for the help.... Selah
Posted By: Twingo
Date Posted: August 17, 2003 at 8:33 PM
You can run two types of subs but it is a very good idea to make sure they're isolated if you do. Tyhat way you don;t get any ill effects form one set if you turn them off. If i was testing two subs i would only listen to them for about 20 seconds or less one day, then go back the next day and listen to the others for the same time. That way you dont get used to the type of sound from one or the other and you will still remember how good they sound. The 6000's will give you a good sound and if you really want some quality with the loud sound i would suggest a ported enclosure, if you want really good quality sound alone go with sealed and ifyou want hella loud go bandpass. The bandpass won't let you hear any distortion coming out of your sub tho, so if you use it watch out for blowing your stuff.
Posted By: wizzle
Date Posted: August 19, 2003 at 1:17 AM
an spl enclosure is used for more output (sound/loudness), but sacrifices sq, or sound quality. if you are going for boom with sound quality, run the 8000's. I would do a sealed enclosure (but that can be very open to debate) and those puppies will slam cleanly.
Posted By: HumbleI
Date Posted: August 19, 2003 at 7:03 PM
and heres the other question, should I just buy a prefab??? the guy who wants to install my system ( for near 1300... ripoff??) wants to build a box for like 230 but they have individual enclosures within the one enclosure..... would a prefab box work aright or should I spend the extra cash for something that is fitted to the 1-2 cu. ft. these subs need each.... or shoudl I look for a prefab that has the same measurements?? do prefab boxes have the divider int the middle so you dont blow the ohter sib if one goes?? thanks!!! Selah
Posted By: Twingo
Date Posted: August 19, 2003 at 9:35 PM
don't buy a prefab carpet is cheap and you only need about $30 worth of mdf to make one. The price for the box is a huge ripoff. Just make your own or find someone with a good knowledge of this stuff or even just woodworking to make it.
Posted By: HumbleI
Date Posted: August 19, 2003 at 9:37 PM
how woudl they calculate the cu. ft. and things like tht??? I know someone who can build it but Im not sure if they know how...what instructions should I give them??
Posted By: Twingo
Date Posted: August 20, 2003 at 6:51 PM
if this is for 2 subs, just go down to your local shop and take along a measuring tape, tell them you're making sure something like that can fit in your trunk or something, then ask your friend to make something with the same dimensions. Be sure to have him place a board between the subs if the one you're looking at doesn't have one. in all reality it won't really be necessary to have the middle divide if you figure out the sub is blown first. If one goes you'll notice right away.
Posted By: HumbleI
Date Posted: August 20, 2003 at 9:15 PM
I got someone , he is actuaaly the person I bought the system from, hes goin to do it tomorrow... Ill post some picks if its aright...... thanks for all the help..... peace love and guidance
Posted By: stang351w
Date Posted: August 21, 2003 at 6:25 AM
i'm running righ tnow a pair of MTX T8124a's running off my x-celon 401 amp in the back of my 1995 neon, i put them in a 2 cu/ft x to start with and they give really punchy and solid bass, i did sacrifice some spl (only 140.2 on the dash) while befor when i had my 1992 cavalier i was running a single mtx 12" 8000 in a 1.25 cu/ft box off my x-celon 301 amp and i was hitting 140.4 dbs on the dash, so with that my 2 cent's here, if you would like a good punchy but still solid bass put the 8000's in a 2 cu/ft box and if ya want spl, go 1.25 cu/ft + , i do have pics that i will be posting at some later point in life :)
Posted By: HumbleI
Date Posted: August 21, 2003 at 4:09 PM
I wound up putting both 8000's and one 6000 in a box that was fit for them... it hits HARD almost reckin my car... lol any advice to stop some rattling?? I was PISSED today, cuz it was madd hott over here in NY and my car overheated and I had to drive it to a mech shop I think the head gasket went.... that blows... ayeeeeee so I just put the sh*t in today but I have to wait to use it now... :( but itll be aright... everythings straight... thanks for the advice everyone...
Posted By: Twingo
Date Posted: August 21, 2003 at 6:40 PM
very nice, how much did the box cost you? i bet it was way cheaper than getting a prefab. anyway, to stop rattles you can go through your car with the stereo on and put your hand on a bunch of surfaces, if the rattle stops or quiets, bingo! All you need to do from there is tighten screws or bolts, and if that doesn't do it put dynamat on the back of it or fill it with foam, the other route you could go is to take the offending part off all together
Posted By: HumbleI
Date Posted: August 21, 2003 at 7:42 PM
haha now thers an idea!!!! the box... nada zip zilch... the kid I bought it from sold me the 4 twelves.... with boxes... one was in a single and the other 3 were in a triple... it would nt fit in my trunk... bt he had a three sided one it was like \_/ <-- that.... so I have them on there... I have one 6000 in the middle, and the two 8000's on the sides... the kid just traded boxes with me cuz he built them... it was mad easy to do, no that Ive seen this whole install done, I am amazed absolutley baffled at how somone charges you 1275 to put that sh*t in... its crazy!!! all I got to do is get some sealant for the subs... any particular brands that work better??? I dont need liquid nails cuz that stuff doesnt come off just like window selant or somehting to seal a little place on the side of one of the ports where air is coming out... there is two center dividers so they still hit hardddddddd..... damn near rattled my car to sh*t lol... but its aiight, Ill do what you said and run my hand through and check it out... I gotta wait for it to come out the shop though cuz I think I blew a head gasket today with the keat and all that... the thing was runnning at lik 200+ degrees so thats not good.. makin funny noises and all of that... ayeeee what a headache... buy the car thursday.. breaks down wed. lol but its aiight... Im happy I got the system in before the end of august.... niceeeeeee..... what kind of foam woul you suggest like the pour foam??? how would that stop rattles??? or do you mean like sponge foam... Ill work it out... I didnt get alot of time with the system in (20 mins) before the thing overheated today so Ill dothis when I get it back... Ill post some pics when I get it back also so you can see the install... aright... bless!! ahh and is ther any advice on how to make the license place stop rattling?? just a piece of foam or cloth??? thanks much!! - Selah
Posted By: Twingo
Date Posted: August 24, 2003 at 10:54 PM
to sto the liscence from rattling all you have to do is put some foam tape on the back,mit's really not hard, or you can go to any place that sell dynamat ( a brand of sound deadening material ), and find out if they have this cool thing i bought that you put on your liscence plate that stop all the rattles. The foam i was talking about is the expanding kind that you pour into your trunk. One ofthe added benefits of this is also that if you let it expand out and keep adding little bits more, when it's all dry you can cut patterns and shapes into it and cover it with carpet or fiberglass or whatever. And the last question you had.........the foam stops sound and rattles like this. The foam captures air in all the little pockets it makes when it expands. Dead air kills sound, aka rattles. Also, if you have ever noticed how a rattle will stop if you simply put a tiny pit of weight or pressure on it? When the foam expands and hardens it puts some pressure on what it's touching further decreasing rattles. I know what you maean when you say it's rediculous how someone can charge huge amounts of money for simple stuff. I used to buy all my stuff until about 8 years ago i found out what a sheet of mdf costs and the carpet that goes on it. It like if I make a box for a guy and i charge $100 for it, then i can make 3 mor boxes off of the one guy, doing the math........you kinda see why some people will charge so much. Onje guy can pay for every one elses intall for like a month. Hope you like the subs, looking foward to the pics.
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