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Good SQ Headunit?

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Topic: Good SQ Headunit?

Posted By: nedgeworth
Subject: Good SQ Headunit?
Date Posted: October 31, 2003 at 6:05 AM

Here's a question not often asked so i thought i would. I realise that your system potential is basically put down to your headunit. So what are peoples choices when it comes to a good SQ deck.

I've currently got a JVC. Does the job but having a think about upgrade to maybe an alpine or any eclipse.



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: October 31, 2003 at 7:21 AM
It's just my opinion, but I'd never use JVC.  I've seen too many of them fail for one reason or another, plus the sound always seemed harsh and brittle to me.  Same goes for Panasonic.  Between Eclipse and Alpine, I'd go for the Eclipse for SQ.  But my favorites are the Nakamichi decks, and that's what I run in my own car.




Posted By: bberman1
Date Posted: October 31, 2003 at 8:58 AM

Eclipse, Alpine, Nakamichi for SQ Head units. My top choice would be Eclipse they just have a certain dynamic sound that you just don’t get from any other manufacture.





Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: October 31, 2003 at 9:42 AM
ditto on bberman1's choices. Although I have the Alpine CDA-7990 and it's the best that I have ever heard hnds down.

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Velocity Custom Home Theater
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Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: October 31, 2003 at 7:46 PM
not everyone can afford a cda-7990 haha, , but the draw is definately between the eclipse and alpine.  As for bang for the buck i would say eclipse, but for no price range,,,go cda-7990, but im shure you don't wana blow a few thousand on a deck.




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 01, 2003 at 2:18 PM
Eclipse, end of story, enjoy

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: superstreet786
Date Posted: November 01, 2003 at 3:48 PM
I also agree with bberman1's picks but if I had to choose one it would be an Alpine

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Posted By: nedgeworth
Date Posted: November 02, 2003 at 3:03 PM
I am looking between the Alpine CDA-9811 and the Eclipse CD5441.

Looks wise the alpine wins out easy but i'm not going for looks here as i would rather a less appealing headunit to would be theifs. Both have similar features but the easy of use on the Eclipse unit is wonderful. I think i'm going to take my time on choosing the right unit. As my budget is in no hurry but i thought i might as well start to look around now and increase my knowledge of what is out there on offer before i just dive in head first.




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 02, 2003 at 3:25 PM
The cd is a last years model if I am not mistaken. Don't base any decisions you make based on spec's. Put that spec sheet up to yer ear and tell me how it sounds. In seven years of selling Eclipse, I have never had to prove to a customer that it is better, seems they already know. I am fully prepared however to go out and buy any cd player, hook it up in their car and let them hear the differnce that quality makes. Now I have also sold Alpine for almost 12 years, I cannot compare their new stuff from the gear from the 80's, it is nowhere near the same. The Eclipse line has a way better warranty, better theft deterence and way better sound quality. Be it non clipping high voltage (at 0db) low impedance pre-outs to simple and easy to use. In most cases for cd players on the market today the laser pickup is the same from the bottom of the line to the top of the line. Most mid fi companies build their equipment to be sold in the area that most people want to pay (marketing dept). In order to hit these price points they must cut corners. Eclipse does not build to hit a price point, they build for unparalled performance and sound quality. Find out if the dealer is willing to let you try both cd player in your vehicle, I for one certainly would. Alpine builds some really good equipment, so does Chevy, but until we see a brand new $15000.00 cdn BMW to compete with a cavalier, Eclipse will reign supreme for a high end cd player.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: MAXST
Date Posted: November 02, 2003 at 3:37 PM

for a cheaper cd player i say pioneer deh-p6500, i own this and im liking it.

eclipse is no doubt the best.



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Posted By: nedgeworth
Date Posted: November 02, 2003 at 3:52 PM
Yeah this will be a very on going process. Unfortunately i have already been to a few dealers and asked if i could have a demo in my vechile and they were rather relucant. But hopefully persistance will pay off!!!




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 02, 2003 at 4:21 PM
Let's see here, you want to spend money in their shop? They are reluctant. Does one dealer carry both brands or do you have to go to diferent dealers? Ask them if business is so good then that;s why can they afford to turn business away.  The Eclipse if it is last years model (pretty sure) they should be doing whatever they can to clear it out, be it cheap price or free install, whatever. Persistence will pay off no doubt and hopefully you will be cruizn with style real soon. Once you gain what you need from a shop that will go the extra mile for you, that my friend is where you can continue to shop. You work hard for your $, make them do the same.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: nedgeworth
Date Posted: November 02, 2003 at 4:35 PM
Nah i have to go to different dealers for both. Annoying thing is being over here in Australia it takes them a while to actually get up with the times with the products. Have always been about 6months to a year behind over here!




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 02, 2003 at 5:05 PM
Well that just sucks blue whale! Your time is money, don't waste any more of it. The Eclipse is the one, buy it, get it put in, a day later go buy the Alpine, take it home and swap it out. If the dealer is not willing to help you then I sure will. Make sure the Alpine / Eclipse dealer has a return policy as I don't want to see you stuck with two cd players. To each his own but at CES year after year, most companies that do not manufacture heads relied on Eclipse to make their gear sound as best as is could. Btw Eclipse hold the Autosound Grand Prix award again this year for one of the best cd receivers in the industry, the cd3413. 

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: November 02, 2003 at 9:18 PM

definately look at the big features like crossovers, dedicated pre-outs, boost/cut frequency selections, and such.  What i can tell you, is that alpine has a excellent crossover for sub, and mid on that model.  And you can choose what frequency you want to be your "center" frequency and boost/cut it.  Unlike other cd players where they choose the frequency for you.

Oh and don't forget the alpine has the function so that you can adjust the sub, and only the sub's level from the push of the volume knob.  no more of this getting out, walking to the back of the car, and adjusting the amp for every diffent kind of music.





Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 03, 2003 at 11:06 AM

Sometimes big features have nothing to do with sound quality. I am sure that you are aware that most cd players with built in crossover's limit the slope of the crossover to 6 or 12 db per octave. Maybe, just maybe there are some out there that are 18 or 24, but generally speakering, most crossover on amplifiers are a minimum of 12db up to (high end guys) 24db per octave (also with hight slopes available). Most cd players in the industry have dedicated pre-outs for front / rear /subwoofers, not just the Alpine, but in the lowly old now out of business in Canada, Jensen. The cd5441 also has a dedicated subwoofer level control, push the volume knob until it reads non fader, turn the volume know up or down to adjust level. If you take a water hose, run it through a whole pile of gates, what happens to the pressure in the end. The best path for audio is as direct as possible to keep the signal clean. Eq's and such can be useful if they have a dedicated purpose (to solve a dedicated problem) otherwise they are a bandaid to fix a problem. If you start out clean, you end up clean. The Alpine is a good cd player, miles ahead of people like Driftwood, Clarion, Sony etc., but not since the original Alpine 7909 back in the late 80's (sold some of these) have they produced a cd player that has the same "flavour of sound" that compared to that old model. Btw, the Eclipse Cd5441 is a 2 year old model, so you should ask for a redt hot scorching price on it. It has a 5volt (at 0db) non clipping 100ohm pre-out bank. What this means to you is that in an amplified system, with the gains set properly, you can pin the cd volume control (top volume reads 80) and get no distortion. The lower the impedance on the pre-out, the better the sound quality. Now as I pointed out earlier, I'm not trying to knock the Alpine, it is a great cd player, probably my third choice personally, but when you compare apples to apples on the basis of sq, the Eclipse is a clear winner. To argue that point is great, that's what these forums are for, one thing to remember is that we all hear differently.



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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: nedgeworth
Date Posted: November 03, 2003 at 3:34 PM
So what does the CD5433 have over the older 5441 deck? Cause from a look point of view i want something that isn't going to attract attention and i think that newer deck will.

I'm more set towards an eclipse deck now just going to take my time to figure out which one is for me. I'm thinking about competting in SQ middle-end of next year so i'm having a good think about everything.




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 03, 2003 at 3:48 PM

The main differences in the two models are the asthetics, the newer model has a lower pre-out impedance (will help to improve sq), A MOSFET amplifier section in the new unit (higher current power supply - this will have no bearing in an amplifier system). As far as ease of use goes, the new model CD5433 is way easier to use, especially the track controls - on the old one the controls for the track functions tend to rattle, a remote control with volume control (new model), MP3 capability (not a factor for sq). If I had my ruthers, I would buy the new one. I use the CD8443.



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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: nedgeworth
Date Posted: November 03, 2003 at 3:58 PM
Yeah i am not going to be running anything off the deck so that is of no concern to me. If i had a larger budget i would be looking at the CD8443. So basically at the moment i'm in the middle of the range but if i'm looking to compete i should be looking more towards the newer model if i can get my hands on it. Hmmm so many possiblities!!!!




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 03, 2003 at 4:13 PM
I think you just answered your own question. Btw the wiring harness is the same for all models of Eclipse, so an upgrade in the future is way easy to do. Congrats on your new purchase.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.





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