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MTX 311D to NOS8 Bazooka Tube

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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
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Printed Date: June 08, 2024 at 1:25 PM


Topic: MTX 311D to NOS8 Bazooka Tube

Posted By: SilentBob
Subject: MTX 311D to NOS8 Bazooka Tube
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 12:33 AM

I recently decided it was time for an upgrade from my POS receiver.  While contemplating alturntive decks, I decided I would add a bazooka tube and amp also.  I am partial to bazooka tubes because I have heard one in my buddies car, and was impressed(it is enough for me). I own a 2001 Silverado Reg cab so I am limited on space.  I've set my affections on a RX- Series NOS8 Bazooka Tube which I intend to stick behind the passengers seat, or rip out the middle console put it there and build around it. 

I am realitvly new to the car audio scene but am zealous as ever about it.  This new found zeal inspired me to learn what I could about decks, amps, watts, , rms.. ect ect...  however one thing that I am still unsure about is the the 12.5v, and the 14.4v ratings.  I did read a previous post about the 2 and I did gather some understanding from it.  Now to the point:

I just baught (which is the first piece to my set) a MTX 311D amp. I plan on running the NOS8 Bazooka Tube, and my deck is going to be CQ-DFX983U.  The 311D's Specs Look like this: 

RMS at 12.5v = 100 Watts x1 into a 4ohm load

Dynamic Power at 14.4v = 155 Watts x1into a 4 ohm load

I baught this amp looking at the 14.4v hoping that 14.4 was the standard because the bass tube I plan on getting has a recommendation of 150 wats RMS and it is a 4ohm bass tube. https://bazooka.com/productAutoPassiveBTsRX.asp?id=157

So now that I have the amp in my hands, I just was curious as to if I need a bigger amp.  I know now that I should have went by the 12.5v rms value, but I didnt, and now im wondering if there is anyway to supply a constant 14.4v to my amp.  Would a cap benifit me at all, and my alternator is 108 amps(if that means anything) and my battery is less than a year old (maybe 6 months).  Any suggestions ?




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Posted By: Ketel22
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 1:06 AM
With the alt. you have you should be fine. as long as the car is on and the draw on the amp is not greater than what it can put out your voltage should not drop far from 14.4v. Although im not sure about the reliability of the bazooka ratings i know that the mtx will definately put out at least what they say. 

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Posted By: SilentBob
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 1:32 AM
Awesome.. thats peace of mind, thanks man




Posted By: Durwood
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 3:26 AM

Well, you may still be underpowering the subwoofer somewhat.  Your amp's rating of 155 Watts "dynamic power" at 14.4V is another way of saying "peak power".  For true RMS power, you'll probably get the advertised 100 watts at 12.5v, and perhaps slightly more power with 14.4v, depending on how tightly regulated the amp's power supply is.

At 100 Watts, you're running about 30% below the recommended 150W, but even with a 150W amp, you wouldn't be playing it that loud all the time anyway, so it's not like 100W is going to hurt it or anything.  You just might be disappointed in the output you get with this setup.  The Bazooka tube is basically an 8" sub in a ported enclosure.  That setup with 100 Watts behind it isn't going to shake the world, but it should be enough to provide a nice bottom-end to your music.  Since it is a ported enclosure, be sure to play around with different places to put the sub.  I think Bazooka recommends facing the port into one of the rear corners of your trunk, so that would be a good place to start.

Scott Gardner





Posted By: SilentBob
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 3:51 AM
Yeah thanks for the adivice.. they do recommend facing it into the corner, I think I will give this all a try and if I am dissatisfied with the bass I will sell it all and start over.




Posted By: SilentBob
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 3:56 AM
So do capacitor's have any advantage in this scenario? what exactly are they good for?




Posted By: Durwood
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 4:12 AM

Capacitors are one of my favourite subjects, because there's so much bad information out there.  Capacitors store energy, and are useful to help provide additional current during loud musical transients. 

Without a capacitor, if your car's accessories and stereo ask for more current than your alternator can supply, it will have to dip into the battery for the extra current.  Batteries have a relatively high internal resistance, so the current draw causes a voltage drop.  This is the same reason why a healthy battery will drop from 12 volts to as low as 9.6 volts while cranking the engine over.

Capacitors have a much lower internal resistance than batteries, so they can provide an occasional short burst when needed, with almost no voltage drop.  Keep in mind that it won't make your bass louder or "tighter" or anything like that.  They're useful for keeping your lights from dimming when the bass "hits".  Also, if your alternator can't keep up with the *average* current demands, no capacitor in the world is going to help, because the alternator will always be overloaded, and it will put a constant drain on the battery.  This means that the capacitor will never be able to recharge fully, and your battery will eventually go flat.

So, capacitors are useful in those cases where your alternator output is low enough that you're getting dimming/flickering lights, but high enough that your battery's not going dead after driving around all day.

Scott Gardner





Posted By: SilentBob
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 10:07 AM

Wow, that's good stuff, so after I get this all set up, I'll see how my voltage goes. And if my truck cant keep up i'll try a capacitor. Does it make sense to have more than one capacitor? Is it possible?

 I do plan to get new 6½'s for my doors and 4x6's for the rear pillars in my truck, and power them with an amp (but that wont be untill the budget permitts)  Do you all have any suggestions as to a good amp and speakers?  2 channle or 4 channle?





Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 1:29 PM
Scott G. is bang on with his suggestions, some real solid advice for you. The truck you have can sound really amazing, oversize 6.5" speakers in the doors and a good 4" or 4x6" in the rear. A good idea to amplify these speakers when you are ready, this will obviousely make things louder as well as clean up the sound quality and keep damaging frequencies from being played in the smaller speakers. You don't need a monster amp to run these speakers, 25 - 50 watts rms x 4 is mopre than enough. If you have not yet wired for the MTX amplifier, make sure that the wiring that you do install in the truck is capable of handling two amplifier (8 gauge minimum should suffice) for both power and ground. In newer GM vehicles it is a good idea to always ground the amps directly to the battery. (GM vehicles have a really high resistance on the ground returns).Good choice with the equipment so far.

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Posted By: SilentBob
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 1:54 PM

Thats great advie also, thanks, how exactly do you ground the amp to the battery? Any websites show you how?





Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 2:13 PM
Same as running the power wire to the battery (hope that is what you planned to do anyways)

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Posted By: SilentBob
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 2:34 PM
Are you saying to run the ground to the negitive terminal of the battery? That's what I'm thinking.  Thanks




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 2:37 PM
Exactly!

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Posted By: SilentBob
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 2:40 PM
Alright cool, I'll let you know how it all goes, i'll try to get some pictures of the install.  Thanks for all the advice.




Posted By: SilentBob
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 5:53 PM

Well I had my sights set on a single 4ohm NOS8 Bazooka Tube to sit in the back of my truck, powered by a MTX 311D

 RMS at 12.5v = 100 watts x1 into 4 ohm load

Dynamic at 14.4v = 155 watts x1 into 4ohm load

The guy I just talked to at Fry's Electronics (Where I just got a job in a different department  = mad discountz) suggested I go with 2 Kicker Comp C10's running off that amp.   I thought maybe going to 2 Kicker Comp C12's instead being that they are rated for 150 rms, and 300 peak...

My question is..  am I going to get better sound with the amp I have running 2 C12's or 1 NOS8 Bazooka Tube? or.. 2 C10's? Thanks





Posted By: Ketel22
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 7:18 PM
personally i think you would be better off with kicker than bazooka. plus using two subs in stead of one gives you a +3db increase, of corse the 12's or 10's will be louder than the 8 if used in proper enclosures and at the proper power levels.

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Posted By: pureRF
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 7:52 PM
Silent go here click and watch the video for help on installing the amp.

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