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Topic: Loudest sub

Posted By: thapimpfromchi
Subject: Loudest sub
Date Posted: September 19, 2004 at 9:15 PM

Hey guys, this is just a thread for kicks. I wanna know what ONE sub, mated to a real 1000 watt amp, say.. the JL Audio 1000/1 amp would be the loudest. I dont care if u go from 34" audio bahn to 18 inch kicker. Anything, but only one. and in what type of enclosure. This is just for fun. But, if there is enough response for one sub, i might look into it. Thanks.

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1990 Honda Civic HB:
Clarion DXZ545MP H.U.
2- 6.5" Power Acoustik interiors
Diamond Audio 600.1 amp
Diamond Audio 15" M6MKII
Pyramid PB881X 4 CH. Amp



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Posted By: MAXST
Date Posted: September 19, 2004 at 9:25 PM
Any one with a big throw in a TL box.  Its all in the box dude. 

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Posted By: thapimpfromchi
Date Posted: September 19, 2004 at 9:27 PM
i know that. not what im lookin for. i wanna know what sub people think will be the loudest with 1000 watts.

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1990 Honda Civic HB:
Clarion DXZ545MP H.U.
2- 6.5" Power Acoustik interiors
Diamond Audio 600.1 amp
Diamond Audio 15" M6MKII
Pyramid PB881X 4 CH. Amp




Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: September 19, 2004 at 9:30 PM
Re word it to be, , the loudest sub, in the best box for each sub.

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Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: September 19, 2004 at 10:52 PM

Are you trying to be loudest at one note, or are you trying to be loudest over the full bottom octaves (a "daily driver" system).  If the former, then you want a purpose built SPL sub like what DD offers, or other similar companies.  This subs have very little linear travel, but huge BL and a great deal of suspension travel.  They also tend to have a pretty high Qts. and Fs.  But if you are looking for it to sound good to, then there is no replacement for displacement.  That is where you want to find a sub with the most excursion capabilities and a decent frequency response (decent Q and Fs).

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio



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Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: September 20, 2004 at 1:27 AM
hmmmm, every body seems to be beating around the bush on this one. I dont know if you are going to find one that is clear cut the loudest at this level but I would probally look at a MTX 9500. I have been super impressed with them and know that a 1000 watts would please the power gods very much. I gotta think that some of your big cone area drivers are gonna preform well as well. I know JL used to make a 18 w3 that would hammer, but I dont know if they still make it. Kicker also makes a 18 but I think its a lower end model, they also make a 18 inch solo x but that isnt gonna run real well off 1000 watts. I have no faith in audiobahn, so that 34 inch may be loud, but only for a few weeks until it implodes on itself. This question is one that I dont think you are going to get a strait out answer for that you can bank on. Also I hear good things about the adire audio subs but dont have any experience with them. Also I would like to say "just compare the numbers" but everyone seems to lie about their products so I have all but given up in trusting the manufactures spec sheets and depend more on certain product reps that I trust.

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Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: September 20, 2004 at 2:10 AM

Ravendarat wrote:

Also I hear good things about the adire audio subs but dont have any experience with them. 

Hey Ravendarat, where in Canada are you at?  If you are anywhere near Seattle, you should come down sometime and stop by the shop.  I can give you a good demo of our stuff.  Plus it would be great to meet you in person.

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: September 20, 2004 at 10:28 AM
Magnat Agressor 5000 Death Match.  That is, until the released version of the Adire Parthenon is built.  :()

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Posted By: heavilymedicate
Date Posted: September 20, 2004 at 11:21 AM

You're not going to get a strait answer, its to subjective a question.  When your talking about large cone, long throw subwoofers; they are all loud!  The question as to what type of balance you are trying to strike is the larger question.  Sacrifice a little spl for SQ?  Kill the sq and go for the SPL?  This is just a useless question to me, I don’t have any interest in squeezing all the spl i can out of a sub to get one big bass note. 

If there was a answer to this question competition would have already proven it right? Everyone would be running Brand X Subwoofer in the winner’s circle in the Type X Enclosure and may the one with the most junk win!  The fact is the loudest sub out there is only louder by unmeasureable margins.

Yes, JL made a 18w3 https://www.caraudiomag.com/testreports/0106cae_jl/ was it loud?  Yes.  The loudest ever? I dunno. Browes that same site for reviews on the kenwood spl sub, Pioneer 2000, w7, w6 and other "loud" subs.





Posted By: pimpincavy
Date Posted: September 20, 2004 at 11:30 AM
Digital Designs subs are very loud. So is the MMATS juggernaut, and Kicker 18" solobaric.  Yes JL does still make the 18W3, I just read a review of it in car audio and electronics, heres a link to it: https://www.caraudiomag.com/testreports/0106cae_jl/index.html

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Posted By: 12-volt_guy
Date Posted: September 20, 2004 at 12:55 PM
I used to have in my store a HiFonics Zeus amp (1000 watts bridged) running a Fane Acoustics 24" sub with a 380-oz. magnet in a 14 cubic foot enclosure.  I seem to remember the acoustic texture falling like snow from the ceiling when we cranked it.  You mean loud like that?

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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: September 20, 2004 at 9:45 PM
If you want it REALLY loud, and you are looking for a one note wonder, then the P-Audio S18-100LF should be your man. JBL speakershop sez 138dB@500 watts@97Hz, in 340 Litres with a 7.75D by 5.5L vent, with a which should set you somewhere around 141dB... sh*te! That's freakin' LOUD, and it is an ALL DAY LONG note... this is without even stressing it thermally! It would sound like crap, but there is an answer, without skirting anything.

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Posted By: thapimpfromchi
Date Posted: September 20, 2004 at 10:16 PM
thank you 12 volt and haemphyst. thats what i was looking for. i didnt think this would be a difficult subject. all im askin, is, if you had a 1000 watt amp, which sub would u put to it to get the most bass (yes, that means SPL). not that hard. but i forgot who mentioned it, but where can i get the specs on that parthenon? i lost the link.

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1990 Honda Civic HB:
Clarion DXZ545MP H.U.
2- 6.5" Power Acoustik interiors
Diamond Audio 600.1 amp
Diamond Audio 15" M6MKII
Pyramid PB881X 4 CH. Amp




Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: September 20, 2004 at 11:04 PM

thapimpfromchi wrote:

thank you 12 volt and haemphyst. thats what i was looking for. i didnt think this would be a difficult subject. all im askin, is, if you had a 1000 watt amp, which sub would u put to it to get the most bass (yes, that means SPL). not that hard. but i forgot who mentioned it, but where can i get the specs on that parthenon? i lost the link.

Here you go: https://www.adireaudio.com/Files/Dan/Parthenon/

BTW, you still haven't answered my question to give you the best answer.  Are you looking to go as loud as possible at one frequency (as in for SPL competitions), or is this more of a daily driver install?

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio



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Posted By: thapimpfromchi
Date Posted: September 20, 2004 at 11:10 PM
sorry, i forgot about that one. Every day use would be preferred. this was more of a survey than anything. I have a honda civic hatchback with plenty of room behind me but I only want one sub. 1000 watts. So, i was just wondering what kinda sub would be the best (loudest) for the amp.

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1990 Honda Civic HB:
Clarion DXZ545MP H.U.
2- 6.5" Power Acoustik interiors
Diamond Audio 600.1 amp
Diamond Audio 15" M6MKII
Pyramid PB881X 4 CH. Amp




Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: September 21, 2004 at 1:13 AM

In that case I would recomend looking for a driver with a great deal of linear excursion (Xmax).  But you have to be careful about this as there are some companies who rate their Xmax differently than others.  Is enclosure size an issue?  Do you want it to sound good?  What kind of music do you listen to?

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio 



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Posted By: heavilymedicate
Date Posted: September 21, 2004 at 1:39 AM

If you are experiencing frustration over the replies you are getting it is because your question is absurd.  There is NO answer, its to subjective, your not specific enough, you don’t have all that much room, and I doubt you can afford some of the suggestions made to you.  So what’s the point? There is always something bigger, something louder, something better.  Your question should be more focused and give real world requirements.  You say you want pure SPL, then you want something that would be more of a daily driver; ie sq.

The question is like asking, "what is the best car for racing".  I don’t know.  A funny car. well unless you want to turn the damn thing.  One of those nascar cars?  maybe if im going to make left hand turns on slanted tracks all day.  Maybe rally cars like a WRX or Lancer?  hell yeah!  but i bet those F1's can smoke em on tight turns and pavement.  Without defining a purpose it’s an open-ended question.





Posted By: thapimpfromchi
Date Posted: September 21, 2004 at 11:59 AM

its not that open ended if u read it. 1000 watts. 1 sub. what would be the loudest. just from past experiences or whatnot, i dont see how its so difficult.

Kicker CVR 18" in 5 cu. ft ported box.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ simple answer. thats all im lookin for. (that was an example), and about the money, i can afford all except the parthenon right now because i am buying a new car soon. for winter.



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1990 Honda Civic HB:
Clarion DXZ545MP H.U.
2- 6.5" Power Acoustik interiors
Diamond Audio 600.1 amp
Diamond Audio 15" M6MKII
Pyramid PB881X 4 CH. Amp




Posted By: thapimpfromchi
Date Posted: September 21, 2004 at 12:00 PM
oh, and the best car for racing, all around car, i'd have to say the R34 Skyline GTR

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1990 Honda Civic HB:
Clarion DXZ545MP H.U.
2- 6.5" Power Acoustik interiors
Diamond Audio 600.1 amp
Diamond Audio 15" M6MKII
Pyramid PB881X 4 CH. Amp




Posted By: MAXST
Date Posted: September 21, 2004 at 12:09 PM
How bout the tempest in that horn box you guys made steve.  That'll be loud!

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Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: September 21, 2004 at 3:56 PM

Loudest single sub huh? Off of 1000 watts, hmmmmmmmm. And Money Doesnt seem to matter, and Box space doesnt seem to matter, and you want loudest but you want a daily driver so that really doesnt narrow it down much. And you say this isnt an open ended Question, Geezz. I am gonna go with a Solo Baric or with a MTX 9500, just from personal experience.



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Posted By: thapimpfromchi
Date Posted: September 21, 2004 at 4:48 PM

alright

im done. how do i close this f**kin thread.



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1990 Honda Civic HB:
Clarion DXZ545MP H.U.
2- 6.5" Power Acoustik interiors
Diamond Audio 600.1 amp
Diamond Audio 15" M6MKII
Pyramid PB881X 4 CH. Amp




Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: September 21, 2004 at 7:37 PM

MAXST] wrote:

ow bout the tempest in that horn box you guys made steve.  That'll be loud!

Hehe, yeah they are loud.  We were testing out our new home amplifier we just released on it in our tiny electronics lab.  That thing moves a LOT of air.  But I still give it to the Parthanon.  You just can't beat 6" of linear excursion peak to peak.  Who else can claim that their sub produces reference levels at 20 Hz without an enclosure?

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio



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