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Topic: 3000 Watts will this be enough

Posted By: williamr
Subject: 3000 Watts will this be enough
Date Posted: July 05, 2005 at 5:18 PM

Hello All,

I drive a 2004 Mach 1 Mustang V8 32 valve DOHC engine.  I am buying a alternator to upgrade the one with the car from 120 to 220 Amps.  I am going to put in 2 yellow top batters in the trunk and wire them ++ and --. I also have a 10 fared cap.   Will this be enough to power all 3000 watts?  The alternator will be strong enough to charge the battries, I know this for sure the only thing I don't like is during contest I will have to shut of the car as there will not be enough from the alternator to power everthing. 

Thanks For any help,

Randall Williams




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Posted By: Blowntweeters
Date Posted: July 05, 2005 at 5:26 PM
what is the amp ?

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Posted By: williamr
Date Posted: July 05, 2005 at 5:36 PM

Blowntweeters wrote:

what is the amp ?

All are JL Audio Amps 2 - 1000 each sub amp's and 2 - 450 4 channel amps.  I know the can do 1000 watts from 11.5 - 14.5 volts....as well as the 450's.

Thanks,

Randall





Posted By: Blowntweeters
Date Posted: July 05, 2005 at 6:46 PM
did you already buy the optima's???

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1974 ford pinto 4 15" punch Z power punch bd 1001 pioneer DEH-6700




Posted By: Blowntweeters
Date Posted: July 05, 2005 at 6:55 PM

if you are looking to post high numbers on the meter with the car not running i would go with 2 or 3 kinetik battery's the the HC 2400 or the HC 1800 thereis a calculater on the site but i think its for if you car is running heres the link www.kinetikaudio.com there not cheep but there worth the money



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1974 ford pinto 4 15" punch Z power punch bd 1001 pioneer DEH-6700




Posted By: williamr
Date Posted: July 05, 2005 at 7:04 PM

Blowntweeters wrote:

did you already buy the optima's???

I already have one about 3 months old just need to go down and buy the other...  Will this be enough for 3000 watts?

Randall





Posted By: williamr
Date Posted: July 05, 2005 at 7:06 PM
Blowntweeters wrote:

if you are looking to post high numbers on the meter with the car not running i would go with 2 or 3 kinetik battery's the the HC 2400 or the HC 1800 thereis a calculater on the site but i think its for if you car is running heres the link www.kinetikaudio.com there not cheep but there worth the money


Hello,

Yea I saw those....But here in the UK I can't just get them shipped in from USPS....Let me know if it will be enough for 3000 watts...

Thanks,





Posted By: skoldspuppy
Date Posted: July 05, 2005 at 7:55 PM
Well Lets see. from JLs PDF file for the 1000/1 they recommend you use a 100 amp fuse
For the 450/4 they recommend a 60 amp one so lets add up your total

100 + 100 + 60+ 60+ = 320 amps at full volume all the time with a sine wave

Real world would listening would be 1/3rd the amperage or 106 amps

So a 220 amp alternator will work in the real world, though im a fan of bigger is better if you can afford it

Have a good one

--Skold


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Kenwood DDX-7015/W Nav
4 Fosgate T152C
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Posted By: Drewt
Date Posted: July 05, 2005 at 9:46 PM
a 320A alt. would be hard to find, not to mention expensive!!

I dont' know why people think optima batteries are sooooo good. They really arn't unless you need a sealed battery (off road applications). Just buy a marine battery. A big one...lol

-Drew




Posted By: williamr
Date Posted: July 06, 2005 at 11:46 AM

Drewt] wrote:

320A alt. would be hard to find, not to mention expensive!!

I dont' know why people think optima batteries are sooooo good. They really arn't unless you need a sealed battery (off road applications). Just buy a marine battery. A big one...lol

-Drew

Well I have to buy on base as England hits you to hard on taxes.  And the only ones they carry are optima yellow tops.  So I bought the second one today if they run out you might not get one.  Now the yellow tops downtown cost about 400.00 I can get them on base for 150.00 each.

Thanks,

Randall Williams





Posted By: williamr
Date Posted: July 06, 2005 at 11:51 AM

skoldspuppy wrote:

Well Lets see. from JLs PDF file for the 1000/1 they recommend you use a 100 amp fuse
For the 450/4 they recommend a 60 amp one so lets add up your total

100 + 100 + 60+ 60+ = 320 amps at full volume all the time with a sine wave

Real world would listening would be 1/3rd the amperage or 106 amps

So a 220 amp alternator will work in the real world, though im a fan of bigger is better if you can afford it

Have a good one

--Skold

Thanks for the input that is what I was looking for.  As far as battery I had to choose yellow top as I am in England and it was the best and only one I could get.  If I go downtown same battery cost 400.00 where as on base get it for 150.00.  Now I guess I might be fine charging 2 yellow top battries with a 220 amp Alt and the power requirments of the engine running as well??

Randall Williams





Posted By: skoldspuppy
Date Posted: July 06, 2005 at 1:06 PM
williamr wrote:

Thanks for the input that is what I was looking for.  As far as battery I had to choose yellow top as I am in England and it was the best and only one I could get.  If I go downtown same battery cost 400.00 where as on base get it for 150.00.  Now I guess I might be fine charging 2 yellow top battries with a 220 amp Alt and the power requirments of the engine running as well??

Randall Williams


You should be fine with what you have, the 2 yellow tops will help when you are playing your system with the car off and a 220 amp alternator will charge it nicely while your cruising the M8 at 194kph

Enjoy

---Skold



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2004 Honda Civic Ex 4Dr

Kenwood DDX-7015/W Nav
4 Fosgate T152C
Hifonics Brutus BX1500D
RE XXX 12 in a 4 Cube Snail Shell




Posted By: williamr
Date Posted: July 06, 2005 at 6:02 PM
skoldspuppy wrote:

williamr wrote:

Thanks for the input that is what I was looking for.  As far as battery I had to choose yellow top as I am in England and it was the best and only one I could get.  If I go downtown same battery cost 400.00 where as on base get it for 150.00.  Now I guess I might be fine charging 2 yellow top battries with a 220 amp Alt and the power requirments of the engine running as well??

Randall Williams


You should be fine with what you have, the 2 yellow tops will help when you are playing your system with the car off and a 220 amp alternator will charge it nicely while your cruising the M8 at 194kph

Enjoy

---Skold


Sir,

1 more quick question for you.  With this setup how big of a fuse should I install within 18 inches of the battery?  As I don't want a meltdown of the car system.  If the Alternator  is 220 amps would I want a 250 Amp fuse or a 200 amp fuse? or less?

Thanks,

Randall Williams 





Posted By: Blowntweeters
Date Posted: July 06, 2005 at 7:08 PM
i would get 250 or a 300 amp fuse

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1974 ford pinto 4 15" punch Z power punch bd 1001 pioneer DEH-6700




Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: July 06, 2005 at 8:16 PM
williamr wrote:

skoldspuppy wrote:

williamr wrote:

Thanks for the input that is what I was looking for.  As far as battery I had to choose yellow top as I am in England and it was the best and only one I could get.  If I go downtown same battery cost 400.00 where as on base get it for 150.00.  Now I guess I might be fine charging 2 yellow top battries with a 220 amp Alt and the power requirments of the engine running as well??

Randall Williams


You should be fine with what you have, the 2 yellow tops will help when you are playing your system with the car off and a 220 amp alternator will charge it nicely while your cruising the M8 at 194kph


Enjoy
---Skold

Sir,


1 more quick question for you.  With this setup how big of a fuse should I install within 18 inches of the battery?  As I don't want a meltdown of the car system.  If the Alternator  is 220 amps would I want a 250 Amp fuse or a 200 amp fuse? or less?

Thanks,


Randall Williams

Blowntweeters wrote:

i would get 250 or a 300 amp fuse


Without knowing what size power cable you are going to have, Blowntweeters cannot answer that question definitively, as he just did. Here is where you look for your answer.
The CORRECT answer to your question is a question - "What size power cable are you using?" A #8, fuse it for 100A. A #4, fuse it for 150A. A #2, fuse it for 225A. A 1/0, fuse it for 350A.

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