Heavy Wire??
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=10341
Printed Date: June 04, 2024 at 8:49 AM
Topic: Heavy Wire??
Posted By: Anthony1
Subject: Heavy Wire??
Date Posted: March 03, 2003 at 8:23 AM
Hi people, Just a quick question. I am trying to get my alarm to turn on a accessory using the - 500ma grounded when armed output, however it will not work. Could this be because the wire I am using is to heavy? I had no wire around so I used a heavy hard wire, but the accessory only has a low voltage vary small wire on it. Maybe I am loosing the signal(ground)??? I have tried just about everything else diodes etc, (no relay yet), but I am hoping this would be the last resolt . If this doesn't work ogg to a installer I go. Trying to save money and learn how to this kind of stuff my self.
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Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: March 03, 2003 at 9:37 AM
That output is only designed to trigger a relay. What type of accessory do you want to trigger?
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J Rilla
Owner/Installer
Posted By: chuckles
Date Posted: March 03, 2003 at 9:40 AM
The size wire does not matter as long as you have a good connection to ground.
Posted By: Anthony1
Date Posted: March 03, 2003 at 9:52 AM
It is only a LED scanner, but I have tried everything everyone has told me accept the relay. I want to make sure this is the problem. Would it be easier to just go off an ignition wire. So that it turns on as the car is turned off. If so can I use the alarm possotive ignition wire. This should only be + when unarmed, ground when off., giving be the possotive , negative conection. Is this right??Would this damage the scanner. It is a rattler 300.
Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: March 03, 2003 at 12:00 PM
Actually that output should be fine for a scanner since it is just a trigger, and not actually completing the circuit that powers the scanner. You can try grounding that wire on the scanner to see if helps since that is what the relay would do. It sounds like the ground output is doing what it is supposed to do if it turns on the scanner. Maybe the scanner is where the problem is. read the troubleshooting section of the scanner manual and it might cover the problem.
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J Rilla
Owner/Installer
Posted By: Anthony1
Date Posted: March 04, 2003 at 7:27 AM
Thanx for the help. The Vared tech teem just contacted me and told me that this is common. I guess it must be the use of a diode. So I will try again.
Posted By: Anthony1
Date Posted: March 04, 2003 at 7:10 PM
oh well that did not work(diode). stopped the light from staying on steady, but now it still will not turn off or on with the alar. I will go with the relay . I hope this is the problem. Are there different types of relays to buy? Radio Shack seemed to only have the 1 kind.
Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: March 04, 2003 at 9:49 PM
Which way did you have the diode oriented? Did you try to reverse it?
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J Rilla
Owner/Installer
Posted By: Anthony1
Date Posted: March 05, 2003 at 6:24 AM
I tried both ways, but there was no power one way. I used a 1n4001 diode I think this was okay. On the diagram that vared techs sent me it said to place the diode on the starter kill wire with the yellow from the scanner, but my rattler 300 has a unused -500 ma accessory wire(orange), that is what I was trying to use. Maybe the signal is not strong enough. So a relay may be what I need The LED works, because I plugged it into my 12v dc home power source and tried it from there. It will remember the patters and everything. I can not take it to the dei dealer, because LED scanners, and extra sirens are illegal in Nova Scotia (canada), so they will not install it.
Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: March 05, 2003 at 9:35 AM
why are LED scanners and extra sirens illegal?
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J Rilla
Owner/Installer
Posted By: Anthony1
Date Posted: March 05, 2003 at 9:48 AM
the extra siren can cause permanent damage to the ears, and the led scanner because only emergency vehicles can have this type of moving light. They can be installed but must not be visable from the outside. Crazy laws. Tinted windows are not allowed either, but everyone does it. You are usually safe until a cop is in a bad mood, and desides he want to make a name for himself. In Sydney car stereo are not supposed to be heard outside after 10Pm at night.
Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: March 05, 2003 at 9:53 AM
Oh you can have a back up siren under the hood, but inside the car they are illergal? I guess that isnt so bad. ARe Tinted windows illegal completely? In the US you can tint the back windows as dark as you want since technically you dont even need to have windows in the back of your car like cargo vans, and then for the front windows you can tint them to a certian degree, then it becomes illegal.
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J Rilla
Owner/Installer
Posted By: Anthony1
Date Posted: March 05, 2003 at 10:02 AM
No all tint is illegal, Unless the vehicle came from the factory equiped with it. people Drivering behind you vihicle must be able to see through yours. I have the darkest tint on my nissan sentra and have had no problem yet, but my friend had his mustang taken off the road, and he had to pay for the tint to be removed. If a car alarm goes off and police are dispatched to a false alarm, the registered owner may have to pay for the 911 service. They are copying off the far east. This is the law in Hong Kong to. To many false car alarms going off.
Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: March 05, 2003 at 11:02 AM
Police do not respond to car alarms where I am from.
When you say people behind you need to be able to see through your windows, Are semi-trucks illegal since you cant see through them. What about Cargo Vans with no windows? What about when you are bringing balloons to your nephews birthday party and no one can see through your car due to the balloons? That doesnt make sense. I bet those cops can go off on even bigger power trips than in the US
Anyway, good luck with that scanner.
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J Rilla
Owner/Installer
Posted By: Anthony1
Date Posted: March 05, 2003 at 6:27 PM
oh yah they think there gods. Anyway about the scanner I found a installer who will do it on his own, but he will not be responsble for it. He will only do a ignition conection though, does not want to hook it to the alarm $30 cdn. I can not be bother screwing around with it anymore. Besides he is going to `program a 471t remote for me, there is no valet/program swith on mine, so he will have to do it. Thanx for your help!!!!
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