98 explorer, remote start
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: June 04, 2024 at 3:27 PM
Topic: 98 explorer, remote start
Posted By: nmhellraiser
Subject: 98 explorer, remote start
Date Posted: November 10, 2008 at 8:59 PM
Alright guys I'm new here so take it easy on me. I recently picked up a 1998 Explorer as a work car and today got bored and decided to hook up keyless entry and remote start. Got the keyless entry part done but can't seem to get the remote start to work. To start off, the system is a code alarm 500. It was free and brand new. The explorer has the thinner of the ford keys but there is still a theft light that flashes when the car is off. It doesn't seem to have a factory alarm installed. Checked by locking the doors and waiting then opening them through the drivers window. As I said earlier, I think I have all the wires but 2 or 3 hooked up correctly. The keyless entry works perfectly which is really all I wanted but I figured I'd give the remote start a shot. I haven't had to use any relays yet and I'm figuring that I'll need one for one of the wires that I have left to hook up. Here's the one's giving me problems. Brown wire- positive shutdown input 1- I didn't hook this up b/c I tied into the brake for another positive input but do I need this hooked up? Yellow w/ Black- +12 volt alarm by-pass output- Don't have a clue where this goes. Blue w/ Black - Active output (-) ignition 3/ shock disable output- Don't have a clue where this goes. Then I have another 4 pin harness that I didn't even plug in b/c it doesn't sound like I'd need any of the things it says. They are green w/ black, blue, black w/ red, and black w/ yellow. The car doen't even attempt to start so I figure I'm needing to hook one of those wires up somewhere. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: November 10, 2008 at 10:27 PM
The purpose of the positive shutdown is if you remote start the vehicle, somebody gets in and depresses the brake pedal to put the vehicle in gear, it kills the engine.
The 12 volt alarm bypass is the wire that powers the bypass module. That is the module that you would put a key in and mount under the dash, if needed.
Shock disable output is to interrupt the input from the shock sensor when the vehicle is remote started.
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: November 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM
i don't understand where you hooked that brown wire,If that brown wire is recieving 12V the remote start won't start.That brown wire goes to your brake light wire that only gets fed when you hit the brakes.
Posted By: nmhellraiser
Date Posted: November 10, 2008 at 10:39 PM
I guess this unit has 2 postive shut downs. I hooked up the first one to the brake pedal. It was Brown w/ Red. The diagram says the brown wire is for an existing hood pin switch. Basically one that turns a light on under the hood. I don't have a light under the hood. I was just wondering if I still had to hook it into another + input and if so what else would I tie it into? The brake is already taken and I don't know of any other source. Maybe emergency brake?
Posted By: nmhellraiser
Date Posted: November 10, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Posted By: nmhellraiser
Date Posted: November 10, 2008 at 10:56 PM
on the last link, I didn't wire up that 4 pin harness b/c it didn't seem that any of them fit my application. On the second link, the blue and black is the wire that I'm talking about. And on the first link, the brown one I didn't hook up. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: November 10, 2008 at 11:42 PM
did you program the tach?It will not start untill you go thru the programing process for tach/tachless.You have the correct wire to the brake light (brn/red).Are you sure the brown wire isn't for the siren?
Posted By: nmhellraiser
Date Posted: November 10, 2008 at 11:55 PM
I programmed the tach. There is no siren on this unit. It's just keyless entry and remote start. I think I'm missing something somewhere with a relay. I would have figured I would have to have a relay to get it to start but the manual says nothing about a relay except with that blue w/ black wire. That's why I figured I needed it hooked up. I didn't put the hood pin in yet but it shouldn't matter because all it does is complete a (-) circuit when the hood opens so not being installed shouldn't affect it. If I just knew if I need them wires hooked up or not. I checked everything before I put it back together and i'm 99% sure I have all the other wires hooked up correctly. Thanks.
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: November 11, 2008 at 12:57 AM
I am not that familiar with that unit and I don't have a manual in front of me.From what I can see the blue/blk is a ign 3 output.you don't need this wire connected.The other brown (+)shut down wire is not needed either.make sure the gray/blk isn't grounded.is there a start activation wire that when grounded starts the car,if so try to ground that wire and see what happens.does the parking lights flash at all when you try to remote start it.they should flash a certain amount of times giving you a code of why it's not starting.
Posted By: nmhellraiser
Date Posted: November 11, 2008 at 1:24 AM
That's kind of where I'm at. The parking lights don't flash any code. The car doesn't even attempt to start. The keyless entry portion works flawlessly. I don't have the blue w/ black hooked up, nor the brown. The other gray I just cut off b/c I wasn't using it. What start activation wire are you talking about? I don't see one. I'm going to scan one more page in here in a minute.
Posted By: nmhellraiser
Date Posted: November 11, 2008 at 1:30 AM
Here's every wire on this thing. The 4 pin harness at the top I didn't use and they are described in the 3rd picture above. Do i need a relay on the starter wire then? Here's the pic. https://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q310/txhellraiser/alarm3.jpg
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: November 11, 2008 at 1:53 AM
it doesn't look like there is a start activation wire on this one.You don't need a relay on the start wire.Just for sh--t's and giggles,did you check both 30a fuses?Did you check the start wire from the unit to see if it's getting 12v when you try to remote start it?
Posted By: nmhellraiser
Date Posted: November 11, 2008 at 2:04 AM
I haven't checked the remote start wire to see if it's getting voltage but I would assume it isn't b/c it's not cranking the car over. Both the fuses are good. I checked them before I stuffed everything up in there. I would think if they were blown, the keyless entry wouldn't work. The only other wire I didn't hook up was the orange wire on the main power harness. It's the one for HVAC output.
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: November 11, 2008 at 2:16 AM
that orange wire is an accy wire,won't keep it from starting.i mentioned the fuses because one is for keyless and the other for remote start.I don't know what else to tell you,fuses are good,antenna plugged in all the way,tach is learned and no flash of parking lights for trouble shooting.do you have to press the button twice on the remote?maybe just a defective unit.
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: November 11, 2008 at 2:25 AM
BLACK w/WHITE: Saftey (Red Handled ) Control Switch
The BLACK w/ WHITE wire provides ON-OFF control of the Remote Starter. When the BLACK w/ WHITE wire is
switched to a full time ground, the CA500 Remote Start Module is operative. When the BLACK w/ WHITE wire is
open, the remote starter is disabled. Connect the BLACK w/ WHITE wire to one of the wires from the back of
the previously mounted Safety (Red Handled) control switch. Connect the remaining wire of the control switch to
chassis ground. Always try to mount the switch so that the ON position is in an upward or toward the driver
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: November 11, 2008 at 2:30 AM
on page 12 there is a trouble shooting guide,see if you can find anything out there.
Posted By: nmhellraiser
Date Posted: November 11, 2008 at 2:59 AM
Yeah disregard all the nonsense I just wrote in here. It was hooked up correctly to begin with. It would help it I knew how to work the damn remote. You have to hit the button twice for it to start. It started turning over but no fire so I put the key in the ignition and hit the button and it fired right up. I guess I do have some sort of PATS or something on this thing. Any advice on how to solve that problem. Not having to keep the key in the ignition for it to start?
Posted By: nmhellraiser
Date Posted: November 11, 2008 at 1:32 PM
Well I woke up this morning and my car was dead. Any reason this would happen? Also, is there a simple way to keep the key with pats on it somewhere in the car and just use the remote start and a generic key to put in the ignition? Thanks.
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