clutch bypass and nuetral safety wire
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Topic: clutch bypass and nuetral safety wire
Posted By: rghrdr18
Subject: clutch bypass and nuetral safety wire
Date Posted: March 22, 2003 at 12:02 PM
i have a 96 eclipse, 5 speed, and am trying to install a viper 550esp. however, i cannot find the neutral safety wire which should be BLACK/ white(-). also how would i do a clutch bypass on it.
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Posted By: Dreadlock
Date Posted: March 22, 2003 at 8:22 PM
TAKE THE BLACK/ WHITE WIRE COMING FROM THE BRAIN AND GROUND IT. THEN YOU NEED TO SEE WHAT KIND OF SWITCH YOUR CLUTCH USES IF IT NEEDS 12 VOLTS OR GROUND OR NOTHING WHEN PRESSED, ALSO FOR FURTHER PROTECTION YOU CAN USE THE GRAY/BLACK WIRE(WAIT TO START FOR DIESIELS) AND SET UP A RELAY TO YOUR PARKING BRAKE.
E-BRAKE-86
+12-85
GOUND-30
WAIT TO START-87A
THIS SHOULD WORK FOR YOU, AND YOUR CAR THEN WONT START UNLESS THE E-BRAKE IS PULLED. HOPE THIS HELPS
Posted By: rghrdr18
Date Posted: March 23, 2003 at 1:54 PM
i was wondering, on the wiring diagram given on this website, it says there is a neeutral safety wire on the car itself. i was wondering how i could get the alarm remote start to only work when the car is in neutral.
Posted By: djfearny2
Date Posted: March 23, 2003 at 2:50 PM
listen what other people have said is not acurate. take the clutch of your car grab a light and follow it up the clip that plugs into it is the wires you need to connect to each other to bypass clutch. so cut the wires off the plug and connect them together try starting the car with out pressing the clutch and see what happens if it does not start something is wrong check connections . if you have more than one clip at clutch than test trial and error take one clip out at time and press the clutch and try to start the car if the car starts that plug that clip back in and that means the other clip controls the start so take the other clip and do what was stated above. now use the ebrake as the neutral safety so which means follow the ebrake down and find the clip on that now test to see what wire shows ground when the ebrake is up and nothing when the ebrake is down tap off of that wire and connect it to the black /white wire from the alarm so now if everything is correct your engine will start with remote start and willnot when the ebrake is down.
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Posted By: Dreadlock
Date Posted: March 23, 2003 at 4:01 PM
actually what i stated is accurate dj fear, though you are also correct, though some cars d not recive ground when e-brake is pulled. And some people like to respond in english not "the clip to this clip to that clip", were all trying to help here.
Posted By: rdsoito
Date Posted: March 23, 2003 at 10:03 PM
HEY WHEN THE CAR LURCHES AND PINS A KID IN THE MALL PARKING LOT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A WEEK PARKING BREAK AND YOU GOT TO JAIL JUST THINK OF HOW COOL THAT REMOTE STRT IS OR BETTER YET IF YOUR CAR HAS VOLTAGES ISSUES THAT CAUSE THE ALARM BRAIN TO TRY TO START. I DID CAR AUDIO FOR 5YRS AND NEVER ONCE WAS IT EVEN EVER THOUGHT OF TO REMOTE START A STANDARD CAR. JUST THINK BEFORE YOU JIMMY RIG THAT I WONT EVEN DO THAT TO MY OWN RIG
Posted By: 2vmodular
Date Posted: March 23, 2003 at 10:16 PM
Yep, i've seen a handful of remote starters crank the starter when they shouldn't have. Nothing much happens with an automatic tranny car. But if a manual tranny car is in gear & is remote started, it will lurch.
Posted By: rdsoito
Date Posted: March 23, 2003 at 10:19 PM
A good rule of thumb is if a shop wont do it you should not do it.
Posted By: Dreadlock
Date Posted: March 24, 2003 at 8:59 AM
obviously my post was not to say this is the only way. i always left my car in neutral, and the relay hook up is just an added. and if your p-brake is strong enough like my was it should barely move. im talking an inch forwward is wht mine used to move. i checked it numerous times to see how far it would move. so once again i was simply trying to help with an easy way to have some safety precaution, not telling him how to injure small children. as for a neutral safety wire on the car BLACK/ white as the person in question asked i have never seen a neutral light or anything of that nature witch would require a wire, if there is please let me know, good luck
Posted By: 2vmodular
Date Posted: March 24, 2003 at 11:45 AM
The big problem comes when you loan your car to a friend or mechanic. It's considered good practice by most people to leave a manual tranny car in gear and apply the emergency brake too. If you press the remote start button on the fob out of habit, it'll roll into something or someone. How far it rolls depends on various factors including:
-degree of emergency brake engagement (how hard did your 85lb girlfriend really pull up on that brake handle?)
-slope of the land (hill vs flat plane)
-rolling resistance (grass vs paved surface)
Posted By: RocketRanger
Date Posted: March 25, 2003 at 12:14 PM
My head hurts...... -Rocket
djfearny2 wrote:
listen what other people have said is not acurate. take the clutch of your car grab a light and follow it up the clip that plugs into it is the wires you need to connect to each other to bypass clutch. so cut the wires off the plug and connect them together try starting the car with out pressing the clutch and see what happens if it does not start something is wrong check connections . if you have more than one clip at clutch than test trial and error take one clip out at time and press the clutch and try to start the car if the car starts that plug that clip back in and that means the other clip controls the start so take the other clip and do what was stated above. now use the ebrake as the neutral safety so which means follow the ebrake down and find the clip on that now test to see what wire shows ground when the ebrake is up and nothing when the ebrake is down tap off of that wire and connect it to the black /white wire from the alarm so now if everything is correct your engine will start with remote start and willnot when the ebrake is down.
Posted By: RocketRanger
Date Posted: March 25, 2003 at 12:42 PM
The E-Brake should NOT be your only safety measure.
Remote-Start is not worth a life\injury\damage.
There are safe ways to do remote start on a manual:
-Utilize existing neutral switch used by SOME manufacturers to disengage the cruise control. (Example: 95' Mazda MX6 and 99' Mazda Protoge') Active ground. Connect to 'Wait to Start' and 'Hood Safety Input'
-Reed switches and magnets work great for sensing shift linkage position. Used many times. Works great. (Jameco.com)
Go Safe,
-Rocket
Posted By: rghrdr18
Date Posted: March 26, 2003 at 10:36 AM
i am not trying to harm anyone. however, my alarm comes factory installed with a neutral safety wire. also on the wiring diagram given in this website for a 1996 eclipse it says there is a neutral safety wire that is BLACK/ white. please check to see what i mean. i also have an aftermarket "neutral safety switch" that i had bought for another car. it hooks up to your stick in your car and when installed will only allow the car to start if the car is in neutral. i was just wondering if that wire indicated on the wiring diagram was able to work, since it came from this website?
Posted By: joelr7309
Date Posted: March 28, 2003 at 5:18 PM
Well I tried the impossible and made a saftey switch for the shift link, you'll have to purchase some type of led or magnet microswitch, and a relay, and make a bracket to hold the switch, how it works is. lets say you make a fist with both hands and paw it together, thats neutral, when you brake it thats on gear, it works the same with the sensor or switch, its disables the remote feature when it's on gear, it takes some time but it work, read ROCKET RANGER he knows whats up, go to RADIO SHAKE or some type of electrical store, JOEL I did this on a 93 Integra 5sp with Viper 550esp. jumper the clutch, it should have four wires, two wires to jumper to bypass the clutch
Posted By: rdsoito
Date Posted: March 31, 2003 at 10:50 PM
Hey just my thought and opinion on remote start. Im just a better to be safe then sorry type of guy. Good luck on your install!
Posted By: jgold47
Date Posted: April 23, 2003 at 1:45 PM
I did it on my acura, and honsetly its some scarry sh*t when the car takes off on you, I always remember to 2x 3x that I am in neutral before I get out of the car, but even this morning I forgot and was slamming into a wall when I got outside....I have seen the car go in gears 1-3 before and its no joke, its bad for the starter, clutch, brakes you name it.....as for a friend or mechanic, well you have to know what button it is, its not so obvious with my setup... Directed is supposedly coming out with a "magic" module that will tell it when you are in neutal or not on a stick (no details when I asked) I think it will be like the rest of them where you have to do the hokey pokey beofre you turn the car off or else it wont remote start.... there are several products out that are designed to go onto manual trannsy, that all use some kind of lockout!
Posted By: jnxtheband
Date Posted: April 28, 2003 at 9:22 AM
in my car, I have a sensor wire rigged up under the hood where the shift linkage at the transmission has to touch the sensor which therefore grounds the sensor wire allowing remote start.
Posted By: ncollini
Date Posted: April 28, 2003 at 10:20 AM
joelr7309, " I did this on a 93 Integra 5sp with Viper 550esp. jumper the clutch, it should have four wires, two wires to jumper to bypass the clutch" I ahve a 91 Integra with the same viper 550, I hae also launched the teg after the mechanic left it in gear....What a bad day. Anyway, would you mind emailing me how you actually did this, I am really interested. I dont trust the safety switch. It's too easy fro someont to accidently change its position...etc... Thanks, -------------
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