clifford concept 400 no arm/disarm sound
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Topic: clifford concept 400 no arm/disarm sound
Posted By: afondo
Subject: clifford concept 400 no arm/disarm sound
Date Posted: September 10, 2009 at 5:31 PM
Hi,
Hope this is a simple one...
Background info: Alarm working fine and beeping as it should do upon arm and disarm. In user options I reset factory settings via the valet switch. Since then the alarm arms and disarms in silent mode. All other functions work including door ajar indicator and siren.
I have tried several times to re-program the beep option but still no luck.
Is there some other way to select or de-selact the beeps via the remote or any other way of fixing this problem?
Thanks in advance for your help guys.
Oliver
Replies:
Posted By: OmarR
Date Posted: September 10, 2009 at 7:28 PM
Have you tried changing the settings of Column 2, Row 1? This is the quiet chirps setting.
Posted By: afondo
Date Posted: September 11, 2009 at 8:18 AM
Yes, several times I have tried loud and quiet chirps but it makes no difference. The programing option seems to work and cycles through the different options 1, 2 or 3 beeps but with the same result!!
Posted By: OmarR
Date Posted: September 12, 2009 at 1:40 PM
Try clearing out all the remotes (Column 2, Row 6), and then re-program them in.
Posted By: afondo
Date Posted: September 13, 2009 at 2:24 AM
Yeah, done that too!! Im sure its because of the restore factory settings sequence that I did but the factory setting is quiet beeps!
I think re-programing with the cliffnet should sort it out, unfortunatley I dont have one at the moment and am waiting for a mate to send me one.
Will just have to see what can be done unless someone knows of some other way to correct this problem. I would have thought it to be a common problem as it is definatley software related.
Thanks anyway...
Oliver
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 13, 2009 at 4:20 AM
Don't bother with the Wiz, if you haven't got pm me with your email and I'll send you the user and installer programming sheets, by the way I don't think it's programming, because if it were set to quiet beeps, you'd hear them. You need to reprogramme, if that doesn't work we are looking at a unit fault and are you sure your in the Argentine, "thanks mate" is a British expression which I hate. Bet it's set to silent arm.
Posted By: afondo
Date Posted: September 14, 2009 at 3:18 PM
Im sure its a fault in the units software. The unit is brand new and only installed it 2 weeks ago. Following the install it worked flawlessly. Only when I went to change a couple of the user settings when making the first change I accidently changed something I didnt want to change. Instead of re-selecting and reverting the accidentaly selected option I chose to "restore factory settings".
From that point on the alarm didnt sound upon arm/disarm. I have tried selecting high/low/off and the alarm responds with its 1,2 or 3 beeps as noted in the programing but with no actual effect to the siren output.
It is definatley not a programing issue as I have both the user and installer manuals and have repeatedly tried re-programing.
Ive got to get the cliffnet cable anyway to program the intellistart so once I have one Ill give it a whirl.
Going off topic. I never said "thanks mate" and yes, im quite sure im in Argentina!! But, you dont have to be Argentine to live in Argentina ;)
Thanks anyway... Mate
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 14, 2009 at 5:13 PM
OK, how about Strine? I'm sure that's an Oz expression as well. One thought since the 400 was superceded about 4-5 years ago, does it have a battery back-up siren? If so the batteries have failed inside the siren and they need to be replaced or the siren itself replaced. What you're describing is a common sympton on our Clifford Cat 1 G4 alarms. Does everything but give you arm and disarm chirps.
Posted By: afondo
Date Posted: September 14, 2009 at 11:50 PM
No its not a cat1 and it doesnt have a battery backup siren. Besides only the concept 300 & 600 were cat1. Its a US spec alarm anyway.
Where abouts are you based? Who do you work for?
As I said, all was good until reseting the alarm so its got to be a software problem.
Posted By: scirocco16v
Date Posted: September 15, 2009 at 12:01 AM
I have seen a similar problem once before. Even though the concept 400 was not equipped with night vision, the concept 600 was. One time i managed to wake up the feature in the software of a concept 400. In other words the parking lights would come on whenever the igniton was on, due to the fact that there was no light sensor and a open sensor circuit on a alarm equipped with night vision turns the lights on. Another feature available on nightvision equipped alarms was silent night, which would mute arm disarm chirps at night, a great feature if your alarm was equipped with a light sensor. Another way to test this theory is to see if the alarm gives you three chirps upon disarming after the alarm was triggered. Alarms with silent night turned on would still give you that alert at night. This feature resided in unmarked 2 * 2 in user selectable features of c600/ag4 models. See if you can access it in the c400 menu and turn it off if it was on. 1 chirp off 2 chirps on. No guarantees but that may be your problem, i think thats how i resolved the issue. Give it a shot if you find no other alternatives. As mentioned before if it is equipped with the battery backup siren disregard my post, it is probably the siren.
Posted By: afondo
Date Posted: September 15, 2009 at 12:03 AM
Having said that, and re-read what you wrote. Would a battery backup siren need to be coded if added to a c400? Should just work off the cliffnet right? Just if it needed to be programmed following installation its possible I accidently coded the alarm for a battery backup siren hence the lack of arm/disarm beeps.
Only ever fitted battery backup sirens that came with cat1 systems, so I wouldnt know if they would need programing into alarms that came without.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 15, 2009 at 1:19 AM
No, it would feed off the data port, weren't 300/500*/600 prewired? North West London, I do the alarm installs for a number of firms plus tracking equipment. I was going to give my normal anti Wiz rant and how I prefer manual programming till I realised you had some knowledge. You can download the software if you have trade access to Directechs.com. But after what sirocco said you might be better off with the Wiz overview, just don't use it in conjunction with an Intellistart. * You forgot the 500, it was bettter than the 600 hundred provided you threw away the glass break. With the 600 you threw away the wireless immobiliser.
Posted By: afondo
Date Posted: September 15, 2009 at 8:28 AM
Yeah the 300, 500 & 600 were prewired with a data port terminal.
Im aware of the glitches in the cliffnet system but I wasnt aware you could program the IS4 without it. I need to extend the crank time, do you know a way of setting it through the valet switch?
I was based in the south east, but audio is more my focus point. thats not to say Im an alarm noob, but having been out of the UK market since 2000 I havnt installed any Cliffords in years and no I dont have access to directec. All I have is the old clifford G4 binder and a ton of SW4, IS4, sirens, sensors, etc. lookwhati'vefoundthat managedforex
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 15, 2009 at 9:21 AM
Yes you can, I never use the Wiz unless I need to do the following:- Change crank time, change siren sounds, quick change 4 digit valet code. if the car starts easily, you programme tach manually. Wiz won't even let you programme tach on a G5, it screws up the other settings, you return to the car to find you've now got passive arm and lock! Where in the South East? Huets? I was with Toad, Hyde Park and then GAP back then. If you need to access Directechs for vehicle info, etc. pm me.
Posted By: afondo
Date Posted: September 15, 2009 at 6:51 PM
scirocco16v wrote:
I have seen a similar problem once before. Even though the concept 400 was not equipped with night vision, the concept 600 was. One time i managed to wake up the feature in the software of a concept 400. In other words the parking lights would come on whenever the igniton was on, due to the fact that there was no light sensor and a open sensor circuit on a alarm equipped with night vision turns the lights on. Another feature available on nightvision equipped alarms was silent night, which would mute arm disarm chirps at night, a great feature if your alarm was equipped with a light sensor. Another way to test this theory is to see if the alarm gives you three chirps upon disarming after the alarm was triggered. Alarms with silent night turned on would still give you that alert at night. This feature resided in unmarked 2 * 2 in user selectable features of c600/ag4 models. See if you can access it in the c400 menu and turn it off if it was on. 1 chirp off 2 chirps on. No guarantees but that may be your problem, i think thats how i resolved the issue. Give it a shot if you find no other alternatives. As mentioned before if it is equipped with the battery backup siren disregard my post, it is probably the siren.
You sir are a STAR!!
That was my problem I enterd the 2 *2 code and the alarm gave me a single beep, exited programing mode and all back to normal!!!
I was getting real wized with this and thanks to you all is good again.
Thanks for your help, hope I can do the same for you sometime...
Posted By: afondo
Date Posted: September 15, 2009 at 7:01 PM
howie ll wrote:
Yes you can, I never use the Wiz unless I need to do the following:- Change crank time, change siren sounds, quick change 4 digit valet code. if the car starts easily, you programme tach manually.
Wiz won't even let you programme tach on a G5, it screws up the other settings, you return to the car to find you've now got passive arm and lock!
Where in the South East? Huets? I was with Toad, Hyde Park and then GAP back then.
If you need to access Directechs for vehicle info, etc. pm me.
Howie, thanks for your help on this one. As you say I need the wiz for programing the crank time its a golf VR6 and just needs that bit more crank to get her started.
Never worked for huets personaly but got a couple of mates who did I remember the Toad AI600 top alarm, no BS quality well thought out alarm at a good price with good profits that all went down the drain with the 606!
Worked all over the place, Incar, Ice shack, BBG the lot!
I remember the clifford G4 launch was it thorpe park or something like that? Ive honestly never been so wized on cheap wine in my life!!
Thanks for the offer on tech asistance mabey Ill pester you for a copy of the latest wiz pro if its no problem.
CHEERS MATE!!!!
Posted By: scirocco16v
Date Posted: September 16, 2009 at 12:57 AM
What year is the vw. Are you hooked up to tach and where did you get it. If it is in a mk3 vr6 and possibly even the earlier mk4, before they had the individual coil packs and you grabbed the tach at the coil pack trigger wires i have seen a occasional under crank from that signal with cliffords. It is very weak and the is4 has a hard time reading it consistently. You should not need to adjust the crank time when using a tach wire on cliffords, that is the point of using the tach wire. I rectified the problem by hunting down the tach wire to the instrument cluster and perfect ever since without touching crank time. I would look into that and not go the route of tachless. Glad to help with the other problem.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 16, 2009 at 1:42 AM
scirrocco, that's a very interesting comment, I've had 1 VW Golf and a Vauxhall Astra( Euro GM which is essentially a Golf clone, especially on the Bosch ignition system) with problems running the engines at low revs after using the coils. I had to use inductive pickups on both to eliminate the problem. About 3 years ago VAG specified less coil windings (= cheaper for them) on the coil packs, all you saw after that were queues of VWs and Audis being towed to dealers!
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