viper 5701, where do i start
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Topic: viper 5701, where do i start
Posted By: djbdub
Subject: viper 5701, where do i start
Date Posted: December 20, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Im pretty good with wiring n workin with systems n stuff. I was woundering, im getting a Viper 5701 pink alarm/remote start, and my wife wants me to install it in her 2004 TB. im a bit confused on what i need, such as do i need a back up battery, a t-harness, or even a tilt sensor. What do i need for programing, ect. I dont know where 2 start when it comes to installing a car alarm/remote start. please peeps leave sum tips and info. 4 me. Thank you All...
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Posted By: 05gt
Date Posted: December 20, 2009 at 10:00 PM
not to sound degrading or anything but if you are asking questions like this I would take it to a qualified shop and have them do it
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 20, 2009 at 10:09 PM
I understand what you mean, i can do this, i just need to study a bit. here: im getting a viper 5701 alarm/remote start with a back up battery, tilt sensor... what kind of backup battery should i get? what kind of tilt sensor should i get? Also is there anything i would need for the viper 5701 to make my installation any smoother??
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 20, 2009 at 10:31 PM
djbdub wrote:
I understand what you mean, i can do this, i just need to study a bit. here: im getting a viper 5701 alarm/remote start with a back up battery, tilt sensor... what kind of backup battery should i get? what kind of tilt sensor should i get? Also is there anything i would need for the viper 5701 to make my installation any smoother??
Any1???
Posted By: 05gt
Date Posted: December 20, 2009 at 11:48 PM
well first off, the DEI tilt sensor is a good choice, backup battery I am not to sure off since it is an 04 chevy trailblazer you will need a bypass module, Idatalink makes one that will control locks, oem alarm, trunk pin and front doors for the alarm once you get this piece and the truck apart we can help you more
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: December 21, 2009 at 7:08 AM
if you get the idatalink part, it will help you out alot as your not running as many wires. 1) get a wiring diagram of the car
2) bench prep your alarm/rs and snip off anything you dont need.
3) rip your car apart as you will need to get to the kick panel and fuse boxes, even engine bay for tach. this is where a DMM becomes your best friend. so get a good one.
4) wire up remote start portion, install bypass/program. attempt to remote start and if it works move onto the alarm portion
5) test alarm, then wrap all connections and tuck away.
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 21, 2009 at 8:31 AM
and the bypass module (idatalink part, which 1??), dei tilt sensor (DEI 507M??) . can be used, should be used, with the viper 5701 alarm/remote start. remember this is what alarm/remote start, im going to be installing. anything else??? Thank you All..
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: December 21, 2009 at 8:57 AM
If I were you I would ONLY start with the bare essentials. IF you get the system installed you can go back and add stuff later. It won't be as clean as an installation, but let's be real here, no ones first installation is clean anyway. I typically do things backwards from tedmond - I start with the alarm portion first and do the remote start portion second. I don't think it really matters though. Also as tedmond mentioned use a volt meter and verify EVERY wire before making any connections. ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM
i feel you, so i need a bypass module, right? (idatalink, which 1 do i use for a 2004 TB 4x4??) for the viper 5701 alarm/remote start.. as for the, dei tilt sensor (DEI 507M??) can this be used with the 5701 in the tb..is there anything else that i need for this alarm/remote start, besides the toolz and a wire diagram 4 the whip... Thank you All... ps. what kind of backup battery should i use, u have to have 1 of those, right?
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 21, 2009 at 12:33 PM
djbdub wrote:
i feel you, so i need a bypass module, right? (idatalink, which 1 do i use for a 2004 TB 4x4??) for the viper 5701 alarm/remote start.. as for the, dei tilt sensor (DEI 507M??) can this be used with the 5701 in the tb..is there anything else that i need for this alarm/remote start, besides the toolz and a wire diagram 4 the whip... Thank you All... ps. what kind of backup battery should i use, u have to have 1 of those, right?
also what are the bare essentials
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: December 21, 2009 at 12:58 PM
Isn't this another please read my post "Rookies seeking advice".
Basic job minimum
A reasonable DMM
Ratchet Crimpers
Side Cutters
Strippers
Stanley Knife (Non retractable blade)
Soldering tool
60/40 Flux cored solder
Heat shrink sleeving, 3.2mm (1/8") 6.4mm (1/4") and 9.6mm (3/8")
Good tape such as Scotch 33+
Cordless drill screwdriver with bit assortment and 4-14mm (5/16"-1/2")stepped cone cutter
Sockets, either 1/4" or 3/8" drive, 7,8,10,12, and 13mm only metric
Sundries, relays, diodes various crimp connectors.
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: December 21, 2009 at 1:59 PM
The only products you "need" are the alarm/remote start and the security bypass. You do NOT need a battery backup or any other sensors. Again, concentrate on just getting the thing installed and working before you complicate the situation by adding accessories. ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 21, 2009 at 3:38 PM
ok, toolz...check. viper 5701 alarm/remote start..havent ordered it yet. for the security bypass, would a GM Data Immobilizer Bypass work?? if not, what GM bypass works? as for the Sundries, relays, diodes various crimp connectors, where about can i pick some up ad how many would i use..??? Thank You All...
Posted By: 05gt
Date Posted: December 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM
For the bypass module get the idatalink ads-al-ca, you will need this one because it is the only module for chevy that you can flash with the DBI firmware like what was mentioned above, stick to geting the essentials working first, worry about the tilt sensor and backup battery last to be honest with some of these questions I would really consider taking it to a shop to get this done, you don't want a costly trip to the dealer
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: December 21, 2009 at 4:32 PM
Sorry Ted, I'm with Kevin on this one, I'm also very much with 05gt, you will save yourself an awful lot of trouble taking it to a pro, but if you want to go ahead, be my guest WEhave no legal liabilities here.
Again I suggest leaving the sensor(s) to last in fact the 507m requires careful setting up, you'll probably have to change it's position at least once,I'd recommend a 508d dual zone prox instead. You will need the diodes for the locks, 1N4004 from radio shack unless the by-pass handles that. I can see this is going to be the biggest transatlantic co-operation effort since Gulf War ll
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: December 21, 2009 at 4:37 PM
Have you even looked at the wiring guide to this vehicle in the vehicle wiring section?
Posted By: 05gt
Date Posted: December 21, 2009 at 8:34 PM
howie the idatalink modules does doorlocks for him, thats one less thing he has to worry about, lol
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 21, 2009 at 10:57 PM
ok.. Viper 5701 alarm/remote start.. Toolz.. idataLink ADS-AL CA .. & a, iDatalink OmegaLink adsusb Weblink Updater Computer Cable... any relays needed? if so what kind, n what for/how many??? diodes?? how many/what for?? what kind?? Thank You All...
Posted By: 05gt
Date Posted: December 21, 2009 at 11:03 PM
you will need 1 relay, this will be used to power the 2nd accessory wire in the vehicle you will need 2 diodes, these will be ised for the 2 rear doors as the idatalink module will not cover these
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 21, 2009 at 11:11 PM
1 relay......where do i go about getting the right one, do you have a link, to point me to the corect one??? as for the 2 diodes for the rear windows, can i get those at radio shack? if so What kind should i use for the rear windows for this 04 tb?? Thank You All..
Posted By: 05gt
Date Posted: December 22, 2009 at 1:05 AM
the diodes are for the rear doors not the rear windows, they are general 1 amp diodes, and yes you should be able to get them at radio shack
Posted By: zerepdivad
Date Posted: December 22, 2009 at 1:06 AM
Sorry but if you're asking thsi stuff you shouldn't be attempting this. look at some of those remote start diy videos on yuobute.... theyr'e disgusting.
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A DMM is a beautiful thing.
MECP Advanced Installer Certified.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: December 22, 2009 at 3:09 AM
Zerep, point me to them please I need the humour.
Posted By: zerepdivad
Date Posted: December 22, 2009 at 3:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcuwj39-HsQ
Friend at work showed me this one....scary part is i think it might have been on tv at some point...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj004g8OeOk&feature=related
This guy just makes me laugh for some reason. must be how proud he looks and how horrible the install looks
Those are just 2 recent ones i looked at. There's plenty more floating around.
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A DMM is a beautiful thing.
MECP Advanced Installer Certified.
Posted By: zerepdivad
Date Posted: December 22, 2009 at 3:15 AM
whys it come up as yuobute? obviously change that to y o u t u b e
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A DMM is a beautiful thing.
MECP Advanced Installer Certified.
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: December 22, 2009 at 6:20 AM
diodes are just 1amp and you will often see it as 1N400x where x can be any number, the relay you need is a 30/40 amp automotive SPDT relay. this can also be picked up at radioshack but if you head to a local car shop, they should be able to sell it for 5bucks.
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 22, 2009 at 4:24 PM
i need 1amp (1n400) diodes for the rear doors, how many is going to be need, also every1, im getting everything together before i start the installment. 1st. i need to know what all i need 2 start 1.. thank you all.
Posted By: 05gt
Date Posted: December 22, 2009 at 5:38 PM
we have told you what you need mutiple times, you need 1 relay and 2 diodes
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: December 22, 2009 at 6:41 PM
Out of curiosity, where in Ohio are you? If you are close by I would be willing to donate a little of my time to HELP you (not interested in doing it for you). I also have all the tools, relays (literally 100s of them, ask Howie), diodes, resistors, etc that you could ever need. I'm in the Dayton area.
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Kevin Pierson
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: December 22, 2009 at 9:30 PM
free help from kevin? go for it even if your far away. imsure the drive will beworth it. btw KP, still got the honda window rollup modules?
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: December 22, 2009 at 9:57 PM
Eh, it looks like he's up in Killbuck, Ohio, which is the completely opposite corner of the state. And yes tedmond I sure do still have them. ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 23, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Columbus area....im not getting any of this stuff untill jan. or feb. thats why im studying up now! lol.. Question though, why do i need 2 diodes for the rear doors and not 4. theirs neg. door trigger input for the rear passenger side and rear driver side doors, and pos. door trigger input for the rear driver and the rear passenger doors....right? thank you all..
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 12:44 PM
djbdub wrote:
Columbus area....im not getting any of this stuff untill jan. or feb. thats why im studying up now! lol.. Question though, why do i need 2 diodes for the rear doors and not 4. theirs neg. door trigger input for the rear passenger side and rear driver side doors, and pos. door trigger input for the rear driver and the rear passenger doors....right? thank you all..
Any1?? correct me if im wrong please... Thank You All..
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 1:13 PM
Have you looked at your vehicle wiring? Why do you think you have 2 (-) door triggers and 2 (+) door triggers? I have never seen a vehicle that had both (+) and (-) door triggers.
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Kevin Pierson
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 3:12 PM
KPierson wrote:
Have you looked at your vehicle wiring? Why do you think you have 2 (-) door triggers and 2 (+) door triggers? I have never seen a vehicle that had both (+) and (-) door triggers.
No i havent look at the wiring, dunno where to check that out at, any ideas. where i might be able to pick up a complete tech sheet for this install...
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 3:30 PM
 | Battery | | RED | | (+) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | | | | Ignition 1 | | PINK | | (+) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | | | | Starter 1 | | YELLOW | | (+) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | | | | All Door Trigger | | GRAY/BLACK | | (+) | | AT UNDER DASH LIGHT | |  | | Domelight Super | | GRAY/BLACK | | (-) | | IN HARNESS AT VEHICLE LIGHT SWITCH | | | | LF Latch | | GRAY/BLACK | | (-) | | IN DRIVER'S DOOR | | | | RF Latch | | BLACK/ WHITE | | (-) | | IN THE PASSENGER'S DOOR | | | | LR Latch | | BLUE/BLACK | | (-) | | IN THE "B" PILLAR ON DRIVER'S SIDE | | | | RR Latch | | GREEN/ BLACK | | (-) | | IN THE "B" PILLAR ON PASSENGER'S SIDE | | | | Trunk Trigger | | GRAY/BLACK PINK/BLACK | | (-) | | INSIDE TAILGATE AT ECM | | | | Hood Trigger | | PINK/BLACK | | (-) | | AT PIN UNDER HOOD OR AT THE BCM | | | | Alarm Disarm | | LIGHT GREEN/ BLACK | | (-) | | IN DRIVERS DOOR AT MODULE | | | | Alarm Arm | | GRAY/BLACK | | (-) | | IN DRIVER'S DOOR AT MODULE | | | | Parking Lights | | BROWN | | (+) | | IN LARGE HARNESS DIRECTLY BELOW THE STEERING COLUMN | | | | Low Crr Pk Lights | | GRAY/BLACK | | (-) | | HEADLIGHT SWITCH | | | | Data Bus | | AT PIN 2 OF THE DIAGNOSTIC CONNECTOR UNDER THE DRIVERS SIDE DASH |
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM
| Battery | | RED | | (+) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | | | | Ignition 1 | | PINK | | (+) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | | | | Ignition 2 | | WHITE | | (+) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | | | | Accessory 1 | | ORANGE | | (+) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | | | | Accessory 2 | | BROWN | | (+) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | | | | Starter 1 | | YELLOW | | (+) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | | | | Anti-Theft Type | | GM PASSLOCK II® ANTI-THEFT SYSTEM | | | | Anti-Theft Descript | | THE BCM MODULE MUST SEE A SPECIFIC RESISTANCE VALUE BEFORE THE VEHICLE WILL START PROPERLY | | | | Key Sense | | BLACK | | (-) | | IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS | | | | Tachometer | | WHITE | | (AC) | | IN BLUE PLUG ON PASSENGER SIDE OF ENGINE | | | | Speed Sense | | VIOLET/WHITE | | (+) | | IN HARNESS ON PASSENGER SIDE OF ENGINE COMPARTMENT | | | | Parking Lights | | BROWN | | (+) | | IN LARGE HARNESS DIRECTLY BELOW THE STEERING COLUMN | | | | Low Crr. Pk Lights | | GRAY/BLACK | | (-) | | HEADLIGHT SWITCH | | | | Brake Lights | | WHITE | | (+) | | AT SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL | | | | Reverse Lights | | GRAY | | (+) | | IN HARNESS IN DRIVERS KICKPANEL | | | | Horn | | BLACK / YELLOW | | (-) | | STEERING COLUMN HARNESS |
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 4:21 PM
How about looking at vehicle wiring on this site?
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 4:35 PM
howie ll wrote:
How about looking at vehicle wiring on this site?
I have, but there are 2 of them for the 2004 tb...
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 4:53 PM
Which one should you click?
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 6:03 PM
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 6:13 PM
Then merge the information and test everything.
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 7:11 PM
howie ll wrote:
Then merge the information and test everything.
You say mergeing them together and test.... from what i am an idiot posted earlyer, why is there 2 parts. as well was the wiring diagram from this site, there are 2 aswell...??? i dont have the alarm or bypass module in front of me yet...lol.. Thank You All..
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 7:15 PM
I did not read this entire topic. I posted 2 because sometime they will not post when I combine the Remote Start info with the Alarm info. I do not know if you are installing a remote start or not, but there is the info for it, if you need it.
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 7:33 PM
i am an idiot wrote:
I did not read this entire topic. I posted 2 because sometime they will not post when I combine the Remote Start info with the Alarm info. I do not know if you are installing a remote start or not, but there is the info for it, if you need it.
Yeah, the 5701 pink alarm/remote start onto my wifes 2004 chevy trailblazer... so the to posts that you posted, is for the alarm and remote start?? Thank You All
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 7:37 PM
The one with the info on door latch wiring is for the alarm. The one with info about thePasslock anti theft is for the remote start.
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 9:43 PM
The bypass module connects together with the alarm/remote start it self, right?? and its a 4.2L, isent some of the wiring different?? from the grams you gave??
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Is it a trailblazer or a trailblazer ext?
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Chevy TrailBlazer LS 4.2L
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 10:20 PM
They show no information for any alternate powerplant.
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 24, 2009 at 10:29 PM
in a 4.2L isent the key sence (-) Green ign harn or BCM, tan plug, pin E3??
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: December 25, 2009 at 3:06 AM
Again merge your info, and more important, wait until you get the kit.
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 25, 2009 at 9:51 AM
what i was getting 2 is that tekens wiring diagram has the key sence (-) green. as i am an idiot has it at key sence (-) black....?
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 25, 2009 at 10:19 AM
Use a meter to see which information is correct. Howie usually mentions this on every topic in which he participates. He must be slipping.
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 25, 2009 at 10:49 AM
n how would i do that?? lol thank you all, and merry christmas..
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 25, 2009 at 1:11 PM
Do you have a meter?
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 26, 2009 at 5:03 PM
i am an idiot wrote:
Do you have a meter?
Yup, had one since tech. school....
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 26, 2009 at 11:43 PM
When you put the key in the ignition switch, the key sense wire will go to ground. You do not need to turn the key, just place it in the cylinder and test the wires.
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 27, 2009 at 12:12 PM
What wires am i suppose to be testing, and what am i looking for???
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: December 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM
£$%&*( I? What I really think at this stage can't be translated.
Posted By: 05gt
Date Posted: December 27, 2009 at 1:10 PM
either he is just trying to get a reaction and isn't even installing anything into a car or he is just not mechanically and electronically inclined
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 27, 2009 at 1:29 PM
You are to be testing the wires that are in question so you can determine which one is the right wire. Refer to your notes from tech school.
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: December 27, 2009 at 2:01 PM
howie take a break from this thread before you pop a vein from stress ahah. testing key sense, red probe to constant 12v, black to keysense wire that you will be testing. set the meter to 20vdc. meter will read 0v, and once a key is slightly inserted into the barrel, your meter will now read 11-13vdc ------------- Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: December 27, 2009 at 3:16 PM
And if that wire does not test that way, check the other wire.
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: December 27, 2009 at 4:08 PM
The thing about "tech guides" is that they are just that - guides. You can NOT rely on them and you MUST VERIFY EVERY WIRE with your volt meter. Due to different trim levels and many other variables sometimes wires are different colors, or sometimes the information just isn't accurate (or sometimes there are >5 wires of the same color in the same location). The sheets are something to give you a starting point. If you don't verify the wiring and hook something up incorrectly you can damage the vehicle or the product (worst case) or the system simply won't work correctly and you'll have no idea where to start troubleshooting because you never verified the wires in the first place.
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Kevin Pierson
Posted By: djbdub
Date Posted: December 27, 2009 at 10:48 PM
i totally understand everyone, i thank you for all the help, once i have the alarm/remote start, i will get back at you all.... i the mean time thank you again...suas! (see u all soon)...
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