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I am installing a viper 5901 in an 05 mazda 6 with a 5 speed trans. I have the system installed and the security system works correctly, however I am not able to get the remote start to work correctly. It appears as though I cannot get the keysense to diable the factory alarm, and I cannot bypass the clutch switch. The unit is set up in manual transmission mode. When testing the devices I find that the clutch switch closes to ground when the clutch is depressed and the keysense closes to positive when the key is placed in the ignition. I am using the pkall and according to the installation manual included the unit is programed correctly, however in remote start mode the only way the car will start is when the clutch is depressed and the key is in the ignition. Any assistance you may be able to offer would be appreciated.

Use the status output (aka GWR wire) to enable via diodes:-
a) a relay to ground the clutch output wire so it thinks the clutch is depressed.
b) Another relay to send 12v+ to the keysense wire. Are you sure this is pos?

i tried that with the clutch switch output and it did not work I am wondering if they put some sort of resistor or something in the switch assy itself so it can't be bypassed with just a jumper. I am sure the keysense wire is pos. I also tried using that wire though a diode as well as to drive a relay and nither worked.

I assume the clutch switch sends a ground to a starter cutout relay coil to close the relay when the clutch is pushed in? This is the way my Acura TL clutch works. If so, then this should solve your clutch wire problem:

Wire pin 3 (violet wire, 200mA negative starter output) of the 5-pin remote start aux output harness to the wire going from the clutch switch to the starter cutout relay coil.

This causes the 5901 to send a ground signal to close the relay whenever the remote start sequence is activated. It simulates the clutch being depressed so that the starter cutout relay energizes the starter circuit.

Not sure about the key sense problem. I'm using the canmax400dei and have no bypass/keysense issues.

tried that and it did not work however i did a little more research through the witing diagrams. There are two clutch switches in this car apparrently. I am currently connected to the one to the pcm, however there is a second (starter interlock switch) that I did not see up under the dash in the starting circuit of the wiring diagrams

Oh yeah, sorry about that. Most newer MT cars have two switches connected to the clutch: a starter cutout relay switch and a PCM switch that sends a signal to the PCM to disengage cruise control ( and a few other things) when the clutch is pressed.

Obviously, you want the other switch/circuit, not the PCM switch/circuit. Be sure you test it to confirm it's a negative signal. If not, just use a relay to reverse the polarity. Again, I'm assuming this lead is connected to a starter cutout relay.

Also, have you programmed the PKALL more that twice or was it used on another vehicle before this one. If so, from what I understand it is no longer usable.

Do you have the latest firmware?

the starter interlock switch is a positive signal. I was planning on using a relay on the switch from the get go as this signal usually engages the starter solenoid. I however was unable to get the output to drive a relay. I was using the blue (status) wire on the 5 pin aux output harness as it describes in the manual for keysense connected to one side of the coil and 12v constant connected to the opposide side of the coil. Should I be using the violet wire?

also, the pkall was just bought on sunday from a reputable dealer, so i am ASSUMING that it has the most up to date firmware. I have only programed it for this vehicle and only once

Hmmm. Not sure about the timing or duration of signal for the blue wire. It may be a pulse only signal.

I'd use the violet wire as it's designed for starter circuits that need to be energized before engaging the starter.

this is the description of the circuit for the blue wire

This wire supplies an output as soon as the module begins the remote start process.

It can be used to activate a bypass module or power the key sense wire

in most vehicles to disarm the factory alarm without unlocking.

Note: Check vehicle information to verify if a bypass module is needed or if the

key sense wire is needed.

Yeah, I'm looking at the manual right now. Again, I'm an amateur at this, but I'd hook the blue wire (via relay to reverse the polarity) to the Mazda keysense wire (blue/white in ignition switch harness) and use the violet wire (via relay to reverse the polarity) to control clutch bypass. The violet wire worked for me for bypassing the clutch.

Are you using this wiring diagram for the Mazda 6?
Mazda 6 wiring

yes i am and if i jump the keysense wire to 12v then the chime for the key in ignition comes on however the car will not start

I'm also assuming you have:

the brake wire switch output hooked up to the brown brake shutdown wire of the viper?

2. The e-brake output hooked up to the neutral safety input wire (BLACK/ white) of the viper (needs to rest at ground, i.e. when e-brake is on, the BLACK/ white wire of the viper needs to receive a neg signal)?

3. The tach output hooked up to the violet/white wire of the viper and you have programmed and performed the tach learn procedure?

4. You have the toggle switch plugged in and set to "on".

Check page 61 of the manual.

yes off of that is correct. I am wondering if i need to connect the black wire of the pkall to the sense on the remote start. I am wondering if i am not getting the signal from the pkall to bypass the alarm

I'd say no. According to the PKALL manual I'm looking at, the black wire and the keysense wire are not used for a Mazda 6 (in fact, the black wire is not used for any installation). Are you using diagram number 4 or 4.1 on page 6?

^^^^the green key sense wire on the PKALL

im sorry the blue/white

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PURPLE / White | Mauve/Blanc rx

Yellow/Black | Jaune/Noir Tx

Blue/White | Bleu/Blanc (-) while running (status)

Green | Vert n/c

Pink | Rose ignition

Black | Noir n/c

To clarify:

Are you able to manually start the car, push and hold brake pedal, set e-brake, release brake pedal, push remote start button on remote, remove key (car keeps running), open and close door, push arm switch on remote (car shuts down), remote then shows the MT mode icon (looks like a stick shift)?

ok im a dumb *** now I just saw the note at the top of the instructions:

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*When use in D2D, the Blue/White wire

need to be connected to the remote starter.

yes i am able to do that...

when i go to restart the car using the remote start. It will not start unless i have key in the ignition and clutch pressed in. I think we have the clutch issue with the other switch and now i think we ave the issue with the sense sense wire not connected. ....... doesn't know to send the rf signal don't think it's in remote start mode......

army6192plt wrote:

ok im a dumb *** now I just saw the note at the top of the instructions:
< color=#231f20 size=1 face=Arial-Black-Black>< color=#231f20 size=1 face=Arial-Black-Black>< color=#231f20 size=1 face=Arial-Black-Black>
*When use in D2D, the Blue/White wire

need to be connected to the remote starter.

Yeah, try connecting the viper blue wire(pin 5 of the remote start aux output harness) to the PKALL blue/white wire. This assumes the PKALL can control key sense via the B-can (D2D). If not, then you should be able to accomplish the same thing by connecting pin 5 to the Mazda key sense wire (WHITE/ blue) in the ignition switch harness.

ok so i hooked the sense wire up to the pkall and that fixed the key in the ignition problem. I also bypassed the clutch at the correct switch and that fixed the clutch issue. Now however the manual trans mode does not seem to be working correctly. If I have the e-brake on the car will start no matter what. If the e-brake is off than the car will not start and i get a manual trans error as edscribed in the book. The foot brake does shut the car down but it does not reset the manual trans mode and produce an error if trying to start after pressed and opening the door does not reset the trans mode as described in the book but is wired correctly. The door being open does produce an alarm on the alarm portion of the unit if opened. I also have yet to hook up the keysense wire to either the pkall or the viper. This does need to be done as the factory alarm will go off if the doors were locked with the factory fob. Any ideas as to why the manual trans mode does not reset as described in the manual? I do want this to be correct and safe.

what is the diagnostics that your getting?

to set ready mode, its foot on brake, place it into neutral, pull hand brake, release brake, press start on remote, exit car and close door. now its in ready mode.

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if the e-brake is not engaged i get 7 flases manual trans mode not set

if ebrake is set the starter works no matter what i do with the foot brake door etc and that is contrary to the description in the manual