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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: October 31, 2024 at 6:54 PM


Topic: 5 wire actuators

Posted By: florinel76
Subject: 5 wire actuators
Date Posted: June 05, 2010 at 5:28 PM

Does anybody know what are the 5 wires for ? what do they do ?

i am familiar with a 2 wire actuators but i can't find information about what the other 3 wire would do in a 5 wire actuator.

I hope somebody can clarify this mystery for me .



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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 05, 2010 at 6:01 PM
They are a microswitch inside the actuator. Black goes to constant ground, the other two will go to ground depending on the actuator's position. Mounted in the driver's door, the door key turning a lock will therefore move the actuator and change which wire goes to ground thus activating a dedicated central locking relay and operating the other locks. Also known as masters.




Posted By: florinel76
Date Posted: June 06, 2010 at 12:03 AM
Howie thanks for the explanation .. so what i want to do is to create a 2 stage unlock from just one unlock (-) wire from the alarm for my car.

I have created a diagram in paint ( i wish i knew a program to do it faster and easier - please recommend one).

please look at it and tell me if this could actually help me achieve my goal . looking at it for me it seemed possible but only if i understood from your explanations how the 5 wire actuators work.

I know I can use an AUX output but i like to challenge myself.

If this diagram is correct I would like to know if i will have to use diodes and where and how to put them.

Of course this works only for aftermarket actuators and that's what i will use in my car.

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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 06, 2010 at 2:46 PM
Completely wrong.
It's this with three relays required.
Relay 1 lock all.
Alarm lock to 85.
12v+ 25/30amps to 87 and 87 on on all 3 relays
Ground to 87a all 3 relays
30 to all motor lock wires (to green if mounted vertically and actuator is pulling down to lock)

Relay 2 unlock driver's door.
Unlock wire from alarm to 85, 30 to blue motor unlock wire (see above, blue) in driver's door other terminals as above.

Relay 3 unlock other doors.
2nd. Unlock or aux to 85, 30 to blue in all other doors.
Ignore all but the green and blue motor wires on the actuators.




Posted By: florinel76
Date Posted: June 07, 2010 at 12:37 AM
OK so howie you think that the only way to do that is with a 2nd unlock wire (which i dont have on my alarm) or with AUx output wire(this one i have).


now simply curiosity ... howie or anybody else that might check my diagram , can u tell me what is wrong in the logic of it ? i have tried it in my head and paper many times and for me it seemed possible but if somebody can explain i will be very thankful.

I do understand that it is about physics and electronics that i do not know so this can be more of a lesson to me too.

in any case thank you for all your help.




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 07, 2010 at 2:48 AM
Try it in the flesh and it won't work. The black wire from the output of the unlock relay, it will simply pull the slaves at the same time*. You won't be able to differentiate, hence 3 relays.
*That is if it doesn't burn out carrying the more or less 15 amps of the other 3 motors.




Posted By: florinel76
Date Posted: June 07, 2010 at 9:28 AM
ok ... i understand ... thank you.
auxiliary output it is then.





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