2010 tundra and pkall fail
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Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=122741
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Topic: 2010 tundra and pkall fail
Posted By: islandrpryde
Subject: 2010 tundra and pkall fail
Date Posted: July 19, 2010 at 12:32 AM
I am running into a problem with the PKALL on a 2010 Tundra. It will crank all day but will not start. I know its the bypass module because as soon as i put the key close to the ignition it starts right up.
When I programmed the module I followed the directions carefully and got the 10 quick flashes confirming it was programmed. When attempted to remote start it failed. So I tried to program again and it gave me the 10 flashes once again.... which is WEIRD since it is only supposed to be programmed ONCE. after the 5th time i gave up.
I drove around that day with the module plugged in and when i got home i decided to give it another try. when i tried to program it again it wouldn't let me. It started flashing which is the indicator that it is already programmed.
Im ready to give up and just tape the spare key to the ignition.. haha.. no but seriously help!! PLEASE..
i know at this point i cannot reprogram the PKALL. If i purchase/exchange for another PKALL i want to make sure i get it right the 2nd time around.
FYI.. i am 100% sure that i have the wires correct according to the instructions provided. RX/TX pin 4 & 5. then Key sense is gray wire next to WHITE/ blk wire of 2-pin plug on left of ignition. I have it connected to a Viper 5902 D2D.
Thanks for the help..
Replies:
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: July 19, 2010 at 2:53 AM
Is the letter "G" stamped on the key somewhere? If so, the key contains 80 bit encryption. The only way I know of to get that vehicle working is with a Key in a box with a Halo around the Ignition switch.
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: July 19, 2010 at 6:03 AM
I think it might work ( but have not done one yet ) with the PKALL if you flash it with the latest firmware ( at least V4.00 ) and follow this guide: https://ifar.ca/download/2155/key-override-all_toyota_tundra_-_g_stamped_key_%282010-2011%29.rev-a.pdf
I believe the PKALL is a rebadged Fortin Key-Overide-All. The LED is in a different location and the wire colors are a little different on the PKALL's harness but the wire positions are the same. There is a limit to the number of times you can program the module, so you might need another. Here is a link on how to tell if the module is already programmed and locked: https://ifar.ca/en/support/products/55-key-override-all_programming_diagnostics.html
The Fortin Key-Overide-All is listed as working and Tedmond has confirmed a successful "G" key install in a recent post. ------------- Soldering is fun!
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: July 19, 2010 at 5:20 PM
FYI, Idatalink bypasses will now work with G stamped 80 bit keys.....
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Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: July 19, 2010 at 7:40 PM
Thank you, Mike M2! That is great news for all us iDatalink fans and, as usual their install guides are more detailed and easy to follow...  ------------- Soldering is fun!
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: July 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM
i was just going to say the fortin piece works great, but kregs beat me to it ahah.
------------- Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: July 20, 2010 at 4:37 PM
kreg357 wrote:
Thank you, Mike M2! That is great news for all us iDatalink fans and, as usual their install guides are more detailed and easy to follow...
You know it! Idata has the flat out best instructions. ------------- Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: islandrpryde
Date Posted: July 20, 2010 at 5:25 PM
Thanks for all the input everyone.. YES, there is a "G" stamped on my key.
I contacted DEI and inquired about the 80-bit system and the PKALL. They informed me that they are not compatible and recommended the CAMMAX400.
I decided to pick one up from the local shop instead of waiting to receive it from the warehouse back home. I figured it is worth it at this point cause im so frustrated with the whole thing and just want it to work already.
I am about to head out of the door right now and wire it up. I will keep you all posted.. Thanks again!
Posted By: islandrpryde
Date Posted: July 20, 2010 at 8:56 PM
alright here is the news....
installed the CANMAX400.... FAIL! it will not program!
Wiring was easy because when running D2D you only have to hook up 7 wires.
2x Can
2x Ignition (just wired together - input from one harness to output from other harness)
2x Rx/Tx from immobilizer
1x Tach Output
im even more frustrated than before!!
has anyone personally used a system with the "G" stamped keys that WORKS for sure?!
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: July 20, 2010 at 9:19 PM
Here is another 2010 Tundra post with info on a bypass that worked: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=122433&KW=tedmond Any questions, contact Tedmond.
Which firmware was flashed on the CanMax400?
Did you check the PKALL to see if it was programmed / locked? It might be worth another try at this point, using the Fortin Key-Overide-All install diagram mentioned in the earlier post. ------------- Soldering is fun!
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: July 21, 2010 at 6:16 AM
islandrpryde wrote:
alright here is the news....
installed the CANMAX400.... FAIL! it will not program!
Wiring was easy because when running D2D you only have to hook up 7 wires.
2x Can
2x Ignition (just wired together - input from one harness to output from other harness)
2x Rx/Tx from immobilizer
1x Tach Output
im even more frustrated than before!!
has anyone personally used a system with the "G" stamped keys that WORKS for sure?!
Yes, this one...
https://idatalink.com/
------------- Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: islandrpryde
Date Posted: July 21, 2010 at 6:23 AM
Mike M2 wrote:
islandrpryde wrote:
alright here is the news....
installed the CANMAX400.... FAIL! it will not program!
Wiring was easy because when running D2D you only have to hook up 7 wires.
2x Can
2x Ignition (just wired together - input from one harness to output from other harness)
2x Rx/Tx from immobilizer
1x Tach Output
im even more frustrated than before!!
has anyone personally used a system with the "G" stamped keys that WORKS for sure?!
Yes, this one...
https://idatalink.com/
Mike that really tells me nothing at all. I'm trying to figure out who has actually done this on a 2010 Tundra 80-bit... because I have listened to the manufactures as well and now have 2 modules that do not work.. so if ur telling me that idatalink works.. then which module and which firmware? thanks
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: July 21, 2010 at 7:19 AM
iDatalink lists their ADS TB module flashed with the ADS TB TL2 firmware or their ADS AL-CA module flashed with the ADS AL(TB)-TL2 firmware for the 2010 Toyota Tundra with the regular 80 bit key. ( I have not actually done a remote start install on any 80 bit Toyota key. ) Here is a link to their news release: https://www.idatalink.com/news------------- Soldering is fun!
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: July 21, 2010 at 8:00 AM
If you are getting frustrated, I know that a key in a coffin with a halo around the key cylinder does work. I have no idea the number of the coffin/halo we used but I can find out and post later today.
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: July 21, 2010 at 5:55 PM
Trust me it works. I have done them and the 80 bit solution they provide will work with zero issues. Use the bypass Kreg lists, make SURE it has the proper firmware and it will work. You will have to run wires to the passenger KP for data but no big deal. I have done 2 Tundras already with G keys....
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Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: islandrpryde
Date Posted: July 22, 2010 at 12:20 AM
ok so this is the final report.. earlier today i spoke with DEI once again.. come to find out the CANMAX400 only works for the tundra if it has a PTS (push to start) button. i didnt even know this was an option for the truck. weird.
neways explaining to them what my problem was they apologized for giving me the wrong information. Then they told me that the PKALL should work. I told them how i went that route and am now left with a BRICK PKALL, and a useless CANMAX400. He explained to me that i have to hook up the PKALL to the IMO/IMI wires located at the passenger kick panel like the XK05. wiring is A LOT different though!
I got to work and THANK GOD!! finally SUCCESS! I will be posting the installation wiring on a separate new post to not confuse other members.
Thanks to everyone again for their help.. i really hope no one else has to experience what i had to go through..
Posted By: Mike M2
Date Posted: July 22, 2010 at 6:40 AM
PTS is not an option for this truck. Shame you got jerked around....
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Mike M2
Tech Manager
CS Dealer Services
Posted By: islandrpryde
Date Posted: July 22, 2010 at 2:33 PM
yea tell me about it.. i knew it wasn't an option.. that's what doesn't make any sense at all...
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: July 23, 2010 at 5:44 AM
thast DEI for ya...always walking around the bush to not helping DIYers
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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert
Posted By: BoominRolla
Date Posted: December 05, 2010 at 7:28 PM
kreg357 wrote:
I think it might work ( but have not done one yet ) with the PKALL if you flash it with the latest firmware ( at least V4.00 ) and follow this guide: https://ifar.ca/download/2155/key-override-all_toyota_tundra_-_g_stamped_key_%282010-2011%29.rev-a.pdf
I believe the PKALL is a rebadged Fortin Key-Overide-All. The LED is in a different location and the wire colors are a little different on the PKALL's harness but the wire positions are the same. There is a limit to the number of times you can program the module, so you might need another. Here is a link on how to tell if the module is already programmed and locked: https://ifar.ca/en/support/products/55-key-override-all_programming_diagnostics.html
The Fortin Key-Overide-All is listed as working and Tedmond has confirmed a successful "G" key install in a recent post.
I was doing my moms 2010 Tundra tonight and only had the new PKALL diagram from xpresskit.com... Would not program until I found this!!!!! Kreg357 you are a LIFE SAVER!!! Haven't used this web site in like 5 years and when I do it pulls through big time!!!!!!!! I love this site and all the amazing people on it!!! a simple search brought me to this link... So to the OP... Thanks for "failing" when you did man lol I appreciate the topic! Now I know the "G" key is do able! Bring em on!
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: December 05, 2010 at 9:06 PM
Glad the post helped. I believe DEI finally updated their PKALL install guides ( to match the Fortin KEY-OVERRIDE-ALL guides ) in September to reflect the Toyota "G" key support and are available for download from XPressKit currently.
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Soldering is fun!
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