viper 5901 into 2010 scion xb

ok the vehicle is a 2010 scion xb with a manual transmission no factory alarm other that the keyless entry that comes standard. i am looking to do this install myself I have done two other alarm installs one of which was a compustar 2 way unit hidden behind the cluster of my 1993 civic and a simple viper 350hv into a 1995 Integra. I feel comfortable soldering so that’s not a problem I live in az and its been hitting 116 lately and i need my car cool before me and my newborn get in. I have the alarm diagram and have been separating the wires to prepare for the install but this alarm has confused me. This is where I’m hoping one of you will step in and save the day.

h1/1 RED / white---orange(-) driver kick, white 13 pin plug, pin 3

h1/2 red---12v constant, white 30a + @ignition switch, white 8 pin plug, pin7

h1/3 brown-siren@ wire

h1/4 WHITE/ brown----parking light isolation wire----not used?<<<<>>>

h1/5 to ground

h1/7blue trunk pin---lt. green(-) @ driver kick or dash fuse box, white 30 pin plug(a), pin 7

h1/8 green, door trigger @each door trigger diode isolate each one.

h1/9 BLACK/ white, dome supervision---white (-) dash fuse box, white 6 pin plug(k),pin2

h1/10 WHITE/ blue, remote start activation----not used?<<<>>>

h1/11 white, parking light output---green(+) @ dash fuse box, white 30 pin plug(a), pin 29

H1/12 orange, ground when armed----not used???<<<<<>>>>

door lock harness: blue unlock output---pink(double pulse) @green lock output : ----- lt. blue @driver kick, white 18 pin plug, pin 7

h2/1 light GREEN/ black oem alarm disarm output-----key sense wire blue (-) @ ignition key switch or dash fuse box, white 32 pin plug(e), pin 23? <<<>>

h2/2 aux 4 -unused.

h2/3 oem alarm arm output---not used?? <<>>

h2/4 aux-unused

h2/5 aux3- unused

h2/6 aux1-unused

h2/7 diesel wait to start-- unused

h2/8 BROWN / black horn honk output--- lt. green (-) horn switch or dash fuse box, white 32 pin plug (e), pin 5? <<>>

h2/9 violet/white tach input--- gray (ac) @data link connector, white 16 pin plug, pin 9

h2/10 dark blue status output---unused?<<>>

h2/11 pink/white flex relay control output----<<>>

h2/12 orange - 200ma accessory output<<>>

h3/13 purple(-) 200 ma starter output--- to trigger a relay @ clutch switch so it shows that the clutch is depressed??<<>>

h2/14 pink(-)200ma ignition 1 output<<>>

h2/15 grey (-) hood input--- to supplied hood pin

h2/16 blue/white(-) 200ma rear defogger output --- black -latched @a/c control assembly, gray 10 pin plug, pin 2

h2/17 brown (+) brake shutdown input--- blue (+) @ brake switch

h2/18 BLACK/ white neutral safety switch---not used or do I ground this?<<>>

h3/1 pink (+) ignition 1 input/output---gray (+) ignition switch, white 8 pin plug, pin 6

h3/2 RED / white (87) flex relay input (30a fused)----constant 12v???<<>>

h3/3 orange---(+) accessory output---black (+) ignition switch, white 8 pin plug, pin4?

h3/4 violet (+) starter output--- cut starter wire and solder to car side of starter wire

h3/5 green (+) starter input--- solder to key side of starter wire

h3/6 red, ignition 1 input---- constant 12 v ???

h3/7 pink/white (30) flex relay output---does this go to the second ignition?<<>>

h3/8 pink/black (87a) flex relay input-?? <<>>

h3/9 RED / black accessory/starter relay input--- constant 12v

h3/10 nc

I'll let a Viper expert answer most of your questions but your xB needs a transponder bypass.  There are many available but some of the pre-loaded, easy to install ones are PKALL or Key-Override-All.

It would get connected to the Viper in W2W mode via H2/10 (-) Status Output and +12v power & ground.

-------------
Soldering is fun!

i did extensive research and many people say that the xb does not need one my key doesnt have a chip in the key.

If yours doesn't have the  transponder, that will save you some time & money on the R/S install.  Also being as you don't have a factory alam you won't need to use H2/10 for keysense...

-------------
Soldering is fun!

some xb models had them. Im sure the 2010 has it for sure.

i dont deal with viper much, so like kregs said, this is for the DEI specialists.

-------------
Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

please dei specialists chime in here

is there any way to tell if i need a transponder bypass ?

yoyonogood wrote:

---

is there any way to tell if i need a transponder bypass ?

---

Look for a red light somewhere on the dash or cluster flashing when the car is off and/or wrap the plastic part of your key in tin foil throughly and try to start the car. If it doesn't start then you have a transponder. Or look at the metal part of the key. If it has a small dot or a g printed on it near the plastic part that means it has a transponder.

Another way is to get a plain key made at a hardware store / Home Depot / WalMart for $3 and try it. 

Or you could pull the steering wheel cover and look for the transponder antenna ring and its' black 7 pin connector.  Pin 4 - RX - Light Blue,  Pin 5 - TX - Beige. 

The wire lists suggest there are 2 Starter and 2 Ignition wires in the xB.  After you verify this with a DMM, you can use the Flex relay for ING2 and will need another SPDT 30/40 Amp relay to energize the second Starter wire.

-------------
Soldering is fun!

what wire would i use to energize the second starter relay?

Going by the Responder LC 5901 Install guide in the downloads section ... Remote start auxiliary output, 5-pin connector.  Violet wire at pin 3.

This wire works like the starter wire and can be used (with a relay) to drive any additional starter circuits in the vehicle.

-------------
Soldering is fun!

perfect i just found this answer as well one final question and i should have all i need. i have an extra relay for the second starter and one for the clutch bypass since im pretty sure i need one to show the clutch is depressed. i just have no idea how to hook this relay up. or is there an easier way of showing the alarm the clutch pedal is depressed without bypassing the clutch switch completely? 

this is a relay diagram i have come up with, let meknow if this sounds ok.

pin 87--groung

pin 86-constant 12v

pin 30- clutch wire

pin 85-- to remote status output wire

if this is correct which status output should it be connected to?

If the signal for the clutch is positive you have the wiring a little of her's how it should be

Pin 87- 12 volts constant fused at a value that i can't say for sure(someone else will have to chime in here).

Pin 86- ignition.

Pin 85- status output (the starter status should work).

Pin 30- To the clutch wire that recieves the signal when it's depressed.

-------------
COMMIT YOUR WAY TO JEHOVAH AND HE WILL ACT IN YOUR BEHALF. PSALMS 37:5

The relay wiring above is good if the clutch interlock switch needs to see a ground when depressed to allow a start.  Some cars have two switches on the clutch, one for starting and one for cruise control...  I haven't done any Scions with a manual transmission.  To actuate the relay you can use the (-) Status Output if you don't need it for a transponder bypass.  Otherwise, on the Remote Start Input 5 Pin harness, there is a Blue/White wire at pin 5 that can be programmed for (-) 2nd Status Output.  That will work fine.

-------------
Soldering is fun!

Hi I have same car as above but automatic, my viper will arm and disarm but when remote activated it says error, lights will come up on dashboard and after few seconds the dashboard lights and parking lights will flash 8 times, according to the manual it means no ground or neutral wire but its grounded, don't know what I did wrong I will post my wiring connections.

-------------
martin

Here is my wiring, wires not connected or not used I will leave bold

H1/1 Aux /trunk output
H1/2  12V CONSTANT – ignition switch white 8 pin plug pin7
H1/3 SIREN
H1/4 parking light isolation
H1/5 GROUND
H1/6 + door trigger input
H1/7 TILT SENSOR BLUE
H1/8 – door trigger input
H1/9 dome light supervision
H1/10 turbo timer
H1/11 parking light output –  parking light switch
H1/12 TILT SENSOR ORANGE

H2/1 OEM disarm
H2/2 Aux 4 output
H2/3 OEM arm
H2/4 Aux 2 out
H2/5 Aux 3 out
H2/6 Aux 1 out
H2/7 Diesel wait to start
H2/8 Horn output <do I even need this connected>
H2/9 tachometer – gray data link connector white 16 pin plug pin9
H2/10 Status out
H2/11 Flex relay output
H2/12 Accessory out
H2/13 Starter output – relay pin 85
H2/14 Ignition 1 out
H2/15 hood pin
H2/16 rear defogger – black A/C control assbly gray 10 pin plug pin2
H2/17 brake input
H2/18 neutral ground - ground

H3/1 Ignition1 in/out – gray /ignition switch white 8 pin plug pin6
H3/2 Flex relay 12V- relay pin 87
H3/3 Accessory out – BLACK/ ignition switch white 8 pin plug pin3
H3/4 Starter out – starter 1 white 8pin plug pin8 cut  car side
H3/5 Starter in - starter 1 white 8pin plug pin8 cut  key side
H3/6 Ignition 1 in – gray /ignition switch white 8 pin plug pin6
H3/7 Flex relay out – 2nd ignition white / white 8 pin plug pin 4
H3/8 Flex relay in
H3/9 Accessory starter relay in – +12V harness
H3/10__

No door locks connected since I was hoping for DBALL to take care of that until I took the ignition switch cover off and found out that it does not have immobilizer.
I know I did something wrong just cant figure out what, brake pedal is not connected will that have something to do with this?

-------------
martin

have you programmed tyhe alarm to automatic mode? definitely hook up the brake wire, and make sure the connections for your second starter are correct. the horn output uses your factory horn in addition to the viper siren or instead of it

also hook up your door trigger wire even to just one door till you get the remote start working i nknow your xb is auto but on mine it senses when a door is open and cancels the ability for remote start as a safety feature. what wiring diagram are you using? if you need one from directwire i do have it so you can triple check everything just post your email address

Yeah I have changed it from manual to automatic with bit writer, got my wiring diagram with the alarm its sorce its from Direct Wire, I wiil get to it tomorrow with the brake wire and try the door wire, are you talking about the H1 connectin door triggers or the actual door lock connector with 3 wires, also how hard is to find the door wires in fuse box  are they same colors as in direct wire diagram? I got relay for 2nd Ignition, and 2nd starter is only H3/9 or do I need relay for that also?

-------------
martin

pm me your email address ill send you the schematic i have it has detailed locations of every wire the door triggers are in the drivers kick panel you have to diode isolate all four and youll be using the - door trigger wire only. i used an external relay for the second starter.

 im pretty sure you can use the flex relay for either the second starter or secind ignition but it may also need to be programmed.

Ok got my brake wire connected and trigger wire to left front door, but still same problem it will arm and disarm but no remote start, still 8 flashes, but when i try to start the car with key no problem as long as its in disarm mode, when armed the dashboard will light up but won't start with key, and remote says "alarm key on", I'm wondering if my wiring is correct cause I have found out that there are marks on the ignition plug and its reversed in compare to what direct wire says here is what I'm talking about

car plug marks                                                       direct wire

1.ST1                                  white                            1.ST2

2.AM1                                  yellow                           2. 12V 7.5A

3.ACC                                  black                             3.ACC

4.IGN1                                 white                             4. IGN2

5.blank

6.IGN2                                  gray                               6.IGN1

7.AM2                                    white                             7.12V 30A

8. ST2                                    white                             8. ST1

would that make any difference if all my connections are connected just as direct wire?

-------------
martin

Hello, I have a problem with my remote start.

2008 Scion XB 5 speed / manual transmission. I am using a Viper 5901. My alarm works fine and need help with remote start on manual transmission mode.
I am having trouble locating the wires. so many white wires which one do I use. Pink/White where do I connect that.

Thanks

m0ody] wrote:

---

Hello, I have a problem with my remote start.

2008 Scion XB 5 speed / manual transmission. I am using a Viper 5901. My alarm works fine and need help with remote start on manual transmission mode.
I am having trouble locating the wires. so many white wires which one do I use. Pink/White where do I connect that.

Thanks

---

Ok I found and fix the pink/white wire still would not remote start. Alarm works fine, but car will not remote start. It tries 3 times and get error low tach signal on the 2way remote in automatic mode. Tach is learn. I really want to be able to use the manual trasmission mode. when i switch to manual mode I get remote start not available. Do I need an external relay?

If anyone has a detailed wiring, that would be very helpful.

Thanks