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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: May 22, 2024 at 9:37 PM


Topic: dei proximity sensor

Posted By: ncollini
Subject: dei proximity sensor
Date Posted: April 24, 2003 at 6:08 PM

I have a viper 550 ESP and have a shock sensor currently installed.  All of my pins are taken from the alarm brain and I need to install the proximity sensor. I asked around and it seems I need to splice the wires some how?

Can someone tell me in detail  how to do this so I won't fry my sensors?

Sorry, If I forgot something I am new to this site.



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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: April 24, 2003 at 6:45 PM
Isn't the shock sensor a plug & play ? is this a DEI shock sensor or a universal ?

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: x6369x
Date Posted: April 24, 2003 at 9:22 PM
Check my previous post

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Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: April 25, 2003 at 9:54 AM
hey ncollini, did you figure it out yet?




Posted By: ncollini
Date Posted: April 25, 2003 at 4:06 PM

Nope, not yet.

 I did run the proximity sensor in line with the shock sensor though.

I called the alrm place that put my alarm in and they said to run the wires together. blue to blue, red to red, green to green, black to black.

Now my problem is, the alrm doesnt trigger no more, it just warns away.

Help please....



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Posted By: ncollini
Date Posted: April 25, 2003 at 4:11 PM

nope, I ran the proximity sensor inline with the shock sensor as the alarm store told me to.

I ran red to red, green to green, blue to blue, black to black.

Now my alarm won't trigger. All I get is the warn away. No full siren?

Please Help...



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Posted By: ncollini
Date Posted: April 25, 2003 at 4:24 PM

Velocity Motorsports, this is a dei model 508d. My problem is that  I have no more sockets to plug this into.



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Posted By: ncollini
Date Posted: April 25, 2003 at 5:59 PM

I have been told to install a diode on each wire...a one amp diode.

How would I do that...what part of the wires ( the prox sensor, the shock sensor, or the wires that lead back to the brain?)

How do I actually install the diodes..I know there are two ways, the anode and the cathode.

Thanks



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Posted By: ncollini
Date Posted: April 27, 2003 at 9:54 AM
Can someone please help....?

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Posted By: ergoaudio
Date Posted: April 27, 2003 at 8:15 PM

hey there,

  you need to install diodes on your two trigger wires... not the power and ground wires.  so you will want to put them on the blue and green wires.  just cut these two wires and put in the diodes... make sure that the side with the stripe on it faces the sensor.  you will need a total of 4 diodes(2 for blue and 2 for green.  anymore questions just ask!



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Posted By: ncollini
Date Posted: April 28, 2003 at 2:28 PM

Ok, I wired in 4 diodes. 2 on each trigger wire. The bands of the diodes are closest to the sensor.

Then I wired them all together and connected them to the brain.

The diodes were  1N4003 (1)  amp 200v diodes.

Now my proximity sensor seems to be working, but the shock doesnt seem to be. It will warn away, but no full trigger.

Also, now when one triggers the other doesnt work. If I come too close to the car and the warn away is triggered...then I hit the car, no alarm. But if I reach in the car all the way sometimes the siren will trigger. However, If I just hit the car from the front or back...The siren tiggers.

Lost again.



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Posted By: enforcerviper
Date Posted: April 28, 2003 at 4:21 PM

I did the same installation as you with a generic brand sensor which I got from Jeff.  I just re-tested it and it works fine.  The diodes I used were IN4007 though.  I should have used IN4001 but I didn't have any on hand.





Posted By: ncollini
Date Posted: April 28, 2003 at 6:45 PM

What is the difference between the 1N4003 and the 1N4001 and the 1N4007?

Your works right now...?

I still can't get it, I spent all day messing with it!



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Posted By: enforcerviper
Date Posted: April 28, 2003 at 7:46 PM

Here's a diagram I got from Jeff.  He's also got it posted on his website. I hope he doesn't mind me posting it.  Anyway the difference of the diodes is voltage i believe.

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Posted By: ergoaudio
Date Posted: April 28, 2003 at 8:36 PM

after one sensor triggers most alarms take 15 seconds or so to reinitialize themselves.. so if you are hitting the car right after you hear the warn away it won't go off.  as far as your shock sensor goes... the only time you should want this to go off is iff another car hits you or if someone is smashing a windoe... anymore sensitive and your alarm may false itself out.  to adjust your shock sensor use the aplm of your hand and smack the winshield fairly hard and adjust it so that it will go off if you were going to hit the winshield that hard.

  as far as the motion sensor goes... they are tricky... turn you interior zone all the way down and adjust you outside zone to warn away as if someone were looking in the windows... and then adjust your interior zone from there.  hope this helps



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If your ears aren't bleeding... it's not loud enough.




Posted By: ncollini
Date Posted: April 28, 2003 at 9:54 PM

That helps alot! I did install them as the diagram shows, with exception of the diodes, they are closer to the sensor. Actually a few inches from the sensors.

 Also, the shock and the proximity sensor are run seperate to the trigger, but are caped together into the trigger wire at the end of there wire. Could this affect performance. Do the sensors need to connect at seperate points?

I was not aware of the lag between the triggering of each sensor. Hence the name nuicence circuitry I guess. This has been helpful, it has solved half my problem ( Me thinking there was one when there was not ".

So If someone can tell me if the location of the sensors on the trigger and the locations of the diodes could cause disfunction in my sytsem, I would Highly appreciate it.



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Posted By: ncollini
Date Posted: April 28, 2003 at 10:00 PM

Also, I just read a post that said to hook the sensor to the hood and door trigger. I have been hooking these to the brain through the one sensors wire. I cut the line and spliced the two sensors on tat line....Is this a problem?



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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: April 28, 2003 at 11:55 PM

The only time you should piggyback sensor trigger wires is if the system doesn't support additional input triggering devices. In the case that you read, chances are the alarm CPU did not have a external impact sensor that you could attach the two trigger wires of the perimeter sensor to so the installer had to use the hood or door trigger to set the alarm off ( using only the final trigger wire and not the warn away ). If this is the case you will still need to diode isolate the wires from each other and if you need to use 2 diodes you have to run them in parallel for then to work properly.

You have to make sure that if you are using the door trigger that you are using diodes because depending on the system of the car it can ge a (-) or a (+) trigger door . This will have adverse affects on the sensor if it's receiving a 12 volt signal when the door is open or closed.



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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: ncollini
Date Posted: April 30, 2003 at 9:01 AM

So would this work then?

Solder two ends of diodes together (side without band), then run each blue wire from each sensor to the other side (banded side). Then the soldered side of both diodes to the trigger.
 
Then I would do the same to the Green wires.
As for ground and Power, just twist them together accordingly  and cap them.


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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: May 01, 2003 at 9:07 AM
Use the diagram above for reference as to how to wire the diode in place.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: May 01, 2003 at 9:38 AM
Since the impact sensor just plugs into the alarm (well, on my alarm at least it does), can you just wire the perimeter sensor's wires directly to the impact sensor's wires? (using diodes) I guess I'm a little confused at to why the impact sensor is attaching to TriggerWire#1 and TriggerWire#2.

In other words, like how I have the diagram below:
(by the way, I'm sure I have the diodes facing the wrong way)

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Posted By: jgold47
Date Posted: May 01, 2003 at 12:45 PM
not bad...looks good...the reason for the two different triggers is two different sensor....the short one and the long one.....




Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: May 01, 2003 at 1:36 PM
1. Are the diodes facing the correct way?

2. Do I need 2 diodes to protect the shock sensor, too?




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: May 01, 2003 at 1:40 PM
Try not to use the power & ground from the other sensor rather use a new wire. This will have less load on the sensor that is plugged into the alarm CPU. Less troubles as well.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA





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