intellistart problems

Hi,

I recently fitted a clifford concept 300 and intellistart into my 200sx (s14a). The unit originally came out of my old subaru wrx.

All was working, except for the intellistart cranking time, the car wouldn't start on the first attempt. I decided to set the crank longer via the software (Cliffwizard 2.2 installer version) and this is when it went downhill!

The car now wont stay on via the intellistart, the car will crank correctly and fire up, but only stay on for approx 10secs before it switches itself back off again. I have followed the instructions through the forum, and have set the RPM sensing again via the valet switch. I get two chirp confirmations but the car just wont stay on.

Im baffled as to what may of gone wrong? im assuming all was well with the settings from when it was set up in the subaru, but since the connection of the cliffwizard somethings gone wrong.

Im pointing towards the RPM single, but have checked the wire and it does indeed show a alternating signal.

Can anyone shed any light on what i may be doing wrong? or point me in the right direction?

thanks

hetz

Redo the tach manually, checking your tach wire, use a DMM, set to 20 VAC red probe to suspect wire and black probe to ground, you should get 2-5VDC, slightly more if you increase the revs.
Throw away 2.2 it's sooo glitched and get version 1.1 if you can. I keep 1.1 on an old laptop and dongle 2.2 when I need it which is hopefully as rarely as possible.

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thanks for the reply howie,

Had a look again today, changed the RPM signal wire to the back of the tacho, still no joy

I tried manually setting the RPM via the valet switch on numerous times and still nothing, car switches on via remote start and immediately switches off.

one think which i found rather wierd is i tried to manually set the RPM via the car switched off (not running) and the system bleeped twice as if it had picked up the signal? i was checking to see if it was working correctly, i was under the impression it would only bleep once?

Im planning on having another crack it again tomorrow, will get the multimeter and do some further testing.

im hoping i can finally get to the end of this one!

ER CHECKED TACH WITHOUT ENGINE RUNNING?
How are you supposed to get a reading?
Also make sure you don't have 2 starter wires. I picked up a 2000 Almera, also a 300 + Intelli+ other goodies, trunk release, warn away, closing and that had 2 starter wires.

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Tach wire, possibly green at rear of instrument panel.

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BLACK/ white is ignition.
Blue or blue/pink is ACC.
BLACK / YELLOW starter 1.
BLACK/ blue starter 2.
The above info is from a 98 200SX, the latest year I can find, I'll look up Laurel/Sylvia next in case you have one of those, meanwhile test your leads at the ignition loom.
How to wire a second starter with an I/Start; Obtain a standard 5 pin relay.
Blue/Orange from I/Start (status output, AKA GWR) to 85 with an inline diode, 1N4004* band towards I/Start.
12v+ constant fused at 30 amps to 87.
Loop from I/start starter output WHITE/ blue to 86
Second starter from 30.
* You can also use this wire via a second relay to keep your indicators on during a remote start:
Blue/orange, again via the same diode as above to 85.
12V+ constant via a 20 amp fuse to 86 and 87.
Connect to the brown indicator wire on the 300 at 30 via 2 x 1N5404 diodes, bands away from relay.




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Hi howie,

when i checked the tach without the car running, i was checking to make sure it would beep once to say that there was no signal present, i understand it wouldnt pick up a signal.

I taped into the TAM point on the back of the speedo which has the tacho output, ill try splicing into the green wire tomorrow.

There's only one starter wire present.

I just cant get my head around what the cliff wizard has done? everything was working correctly, all i wanted to do was extend the crank time.

I NEVER, EVER use version 2.2, just tell them to let it try again, apart from which V 1.1 is the correct version for a G4 300.
By the way 10-15 seconds run time is symptomatic of no tach connection.
Don't worry about getting screwed by the Whiz, you certainly aren't the first, this problem came up and was never dealt with 5 years ago!

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ive sent you a PM Howie

well it didnt go to plan, i plugged in a mates laptop with the cliffnet wizard on as it works fine on his clifford.

My alarm decided to immobilise itself and no longer allow me to log back in. it errors that the valet code is incorrect. Ive currently stripped it out and about to start my install with a concept 650 this time.

hope all goes to plan this time round!

As long as you don't use the Wiz, program it manually.

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Incidentally, had you used V 1.1 it would have given you the valet code. Have you looked at the housing, the middle 4 digits are the valet code, except running Wiz off of a V2.2 probably screwed up all of your settings including the valet pin code.
That's why pros don't use it except as a last resort; and I still enter tach manually, it just can't be done with G5 product and V 2.2.

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I never changed the valet code, it was kept as it was originally from the factory.

The module was still recognising the start command from the key fob but nothing else

I plan to manually program the alarm this time.

I had a question with regards to the dual proxy where would be the best place to put it? centre console or in the head lining?

Roof lining facing down, as near to the middle as you can get.

P.S. Keep the older siren, it's much louder than the new ones.

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Right my 650 has arrived and i can get a move on fitting it, one question do i need to wire the brake input and output as i dont intend on using the blackjax function?

Yes if you are using the I/Start, if so, run tach BLACK/ grey from the I/Start, not the 650.
All other duplicated leads run from the 650.
P.S. Unless you're a dealer or recognised installer you've got no warrantee.

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so far so good howie,

Currently i have just the 650 plugged in ive left the intellistart out. Just to make sure everything is ok with the alarm.

Managed to get the proxy into the roof lining but waiting for the darn rain to die down before i set it up.

I should hopefully put my intellistart back in tomorrow, and see if it works correctly with the new alarm.

the laptop hasnt come anywhere near the alarm lol!

Started to install my intellistart today, but have slight issue.

when i try to remote start the car, the car flashes 5x's

what does the five flashes mean?

Wrong or no brake light connection. You would have no way to access this information which is why amateurs shouldn't even attempt a job like this.
Have you installed LED lights and have you connected the 650 BROWN / red and BROWN / white correctly. DON'T connect the blue white from the I/Start,
only take tach to the I/Start.
Make sure you only get 12V+ on the BROWN / white when the brake is depressed. BROWN / red should be permanently at 12V+.

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Cheers howie!

It's all working now, just have one last obstacle.

For some unknown reason the intellistart is stuck in diesel mode.
It's waiting for a start command. I've tested with the glow plug start wire, as soon as I release from ground it start.

Now I've tried to manually program the unit via the installer grid, column three row two, hit the unlock/lock button and I get one chirp to say it is in petrol mode. But still when intellistarting it tries to start like a diesel?

Unsure what this could be its like the module is stuck in diesel mode?

Any ideas?

Because it mat have been left that way when you originally programmed it via the Wiz. Try reprogramming it with a Wiz but remember to manually redo the tach.

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Sorry, forget my last post, the install guide says "you must (manually) reprogram tach after changing it".
Don't get the Wiz out, more a case of RTFM!

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cheers howie, managed to get it all sorted in the end. Intellistart works, but wont start on the first go as the crank is too short, fires up on the second go though so that will do.

Im too scared to plug in the laptop due to the issues from before to change the crank time.

Thanks for all the advice Howie, really appreciate it.

next task is the folding door mirrors!

I ran my last car for 4 years that way, just got used to it AND I was able to change the crank time, not the answer.
Current car, a little Almera starts on the button!
I'm going to work out a diagram for the mirror fold. Most mirrors work like a window, the in and out are neg at rest and one goes pos for each direction, also = 5 wire locks with a timer.
I'll post the diagrams later but you must test!
You can either use an aux and a relay for each direction or a pair of 528t timer units.

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This is from a Pulsar Turbo import. It should have the same wiring system or method but don't assume, test!.
The way I've set it up mirrors will fold on arming and open on ACC, the action will immediately stop if you quickly turn on the ignition then resume.
Set the timers for 1 second longer than that shown when you use the switch normally. (About 4 seconds).
I've shown 528t colours not the car's colours.
If you're using the GWA orange wire for anything else, such as window closers, remember to diode isolate the orange, 1N4004 inline on each leg, bands towards the alarm.
This makes the action completely automatic and no aux outputs are required. Fuse the 12v+ constants at 10amps for both.
mirror_fold.bmp

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Awesome cheers howie!

I'll have a go later on during the week, and let you know how I get on.

Think I'm going to enjoy the weather and sink some beers!