windows rollup module

Hi I have a 1996 VW Polo (UK). I recently bought an alarm and a seperate rollup module. I hooked up the alarm with no problems. I then hooked up the rollup module as specified but it won't work. Windows will roll up and down with contact on normaly, but when arming the alarm they wont rollup. I checked the "-" pulse from the alarm, when armed, it sends a "-" pulse for about 10s then shuts of. I checked the window motor wires, on contact, BOTH wires are +, when pressing the switch (up or down) one of them looses +.
The module has the following wires
-. Yellow (- pulse form alarm)
-. White (to starter killer)(NOT USED)
-. Red (Battery)
-. Black (Neg)
-. Green, Blue (Between switch and motor L)
-. GREEN / WHITE, Blue/White (Between switch and motor R)

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Karl

Wire the roll-up module for "pos at rest". Older Vauxhall Novas and Mercedes used the same system.

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Or take two relays, cut the BLACK / YELLOW wires or whatever wires power the switches when you turn on the ignition, then on each relay, 87 and 86 from supply side, 87a and 85 to ground (earth) 30 to switch.
Then wire the module as per instructions above.
This converts the window system to NEG at rest and your module will then work. Mkll Golfs had the same awful system.

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Thanks HowieII
I'm kindda new at this DIY electronic things, You explained yourself but I don't quite get the picture...
Any diagrams on what I'm supposed to do?? How do I change the module to POS on standby??
Thnaks!!!!

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Karl

What do you mean by POS on standby*. If the module was any good such as DEI 529t, or some of the Italian product, Laserline, Scorpio it would have given you those relay instructions.
* The idea of the relay (or relays if you have separate 12v+ power supplies is that when the ignition is on those relays are triggered they are pos at rest and will work normally. When the ignition is off, the relays go to off or normally closed and the window lifter sees a ground (earth) at rest and it will do it's job.
Nothing else to explain.
The yellow wire will either be connected to your alarm's GWA wire (a wire that goes to ground (0v) when the alarm is activated or a NEG door lock pulse. 10 seconds is more than adequate time to close 2 windows.
It takes 3-4 secs. on my old Nissan.
Set it up and test by flashing that yellow to ground with the ignition key removed.

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Trying to remember but I think the door lock pulse was pos on those vehicles so here's your answer, actually 2:
Give me a wiring list for the alarm.
Use a third relay, lock pulse to 86, ground to 85 and 87, 30 to window closer, 87a not used.

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Here's a diagram of the connections I've made.
The "-" Pulse for the module is provided by the alarms "rollup module wire" which sends a 10s "-" pulse when it is armed.
With the following wiring, the module WON'T work.
THANKS

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Karl

The alarm came with NEG door lock trigger which I had to change to POS with relays since the car uses a POS pneumatic system. That works fine.

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Karl

What's the point of that nice diagram if you haven't added the relay on the ignition power feed line. It won't work until you do that as I've ALREADY explained.

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Sorry Howie
Is this what I'm supposed to do??

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Karl

Yes, exactly that.

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Also if you haven't already done so, you'll want to make sure you're using a large enough guage wire when controlling windows. I've seen systems that just don't work when the wire is undersized.

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By the way, it was brought to my attention, on your abbreviation for circuit you use "CKT". There is not "K" in circuit. Should this possibly be CCT? - R. Robson

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Was this a right hand drive? Pull the glove box and look inside to the right at the top over the heater matrix. There's the main loom with at least one juicy thick red lead coming straight from the battery.
Alternatively, M6 (10mm) nut under the fusebox masked "30"

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.