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prestige remote starter in 2004 caravan

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: prestige remote starter in 2004 caravan

Posted By: jcampbell490
Subject: prestige remote starter in 2004 caravan
Date Posted: December 12, 2011 at 8:52 AM

I need help with wiring for a Prestige APS-901C remote starter in my 2004 Grand Caravan.

The manual shows a "Yellow w/Black tracer wire: +12 volt alarm by-pass output"

For the life of me, I can't find out what to connect this to on the vehicle side.

Can anyone help?



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Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: December 12, 2011 at 1:52 PM

Wire description from the install guide ( https://documents.audiovox.com/711737.pdf )

YELLOW w/ BLACK Tracer Wire: + 12 Volt Alarm By - Pass Output
Note: You must disconnect the ignition input of the alarm from any other wire that it is presently connected
to in the vehicle.
This wire provides a + 12 Volt output when the ignition key is turned to the “ON” position, and 0 Volts when the ignition
key is “OFF” and when the vehicle is running under the control of the remote starter.
This wire should be connected to the ignition input of the alarm system.
The Yellow w/ Black wire output will allow you to remote start the vehicle while leaving the alarm armed, and to lock/
unlock the doors while running under control of the remote start unit.



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Posted By: jcampbell490
Date Posted: December 12, 2011 at 2:41 PM
That I understand...I just don't know which wire on the vehicle side is the I connect to.




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: December 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Does the vehicle have an aftermarket alarm system installed? 

Usually the Factory Alarm would be handled by the APS 901C Arm amd Disarm outputs. Think AudioVox calls them :

Black w Blue Trace Wire: Pulsed Ground Output Before Start
Black w/ Red Trace Wire: Pulsed Ground Output After Shutdown



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Posted By: lectricguy
Date Posted: December 12, 2011 at 6:04 PM

Like Kreg said, the Yellow/Black is only used if you have an aftermarket alarm in your vehicle.  In that case, you would disconnect the Ignition wire of the After Market alarm, and connect it to the APS901C's Yellow/Black wire.  This provides the aftermarket alarm with 0 Volts during remote start, just as if the vehicle is not running.  This would allow you to leave the aftermarket alarm armed during remote start, without setting it off. 

To disarm the factory alarm, you would use the BLACK/ Blue Trace (Pulse Before Start) wire.  How you hook this up depends on what bypass you are using...



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Lectric Guy




Posted By: jcampbell490
Date Posted: December 13, 2011 at 6:48 PM
Thank you all for your valuable help.

letricguy...the bypass I'm using is ... XPRESSKIT PKUCG2X ... Which is causing confusion for me as well. This is the first multiplex igintion system that I've fooled with.

I'm assuming that I connect the Black w Blue Trace to the "Pink/White Disarm in -" on the bypass side.

Is this correct?




Posted By: jcampbell490
Date Posted: December 15, 2011 at 1:04 PM
Okay...now this thing is kicking my butt and I'm getting fed up. This is not like the last one I installed. Here is everything I have hooked up:

APSVehicle
Red w/White       Lt. Blue w/Red
RedRed
Yellow            Yellow
Blue              Pink w/White
Green             Not Connected
Violet            Not Connected

Black             Chassis Ground
Gray              Hood Pin (I checked & it works)
Gray w/Black      Not Connected
Brown             Not Connected
Brown w/Black     White w/Tan
Yellow w/Black    Not Connected
White             White w/Tan
White             Chassis Ground
Lt. Blue          Not Connected
Green w/Orange    Blue w/Green (coil pack)
Green w / YELLOW    Not Connected
Black w/Blue      Pink/White on XPRESSKIT ?? is this correct?

2 pin Transponder Control Output -- ????


Xpresskit PKUCG2X
Brown to VEHICLE Chassis Ground
Green to VEHICLE Yellow Starter
Violet/White to VEHICLE MUX Violet/Brown BCM Side
Violet to VEHICLE MUX Violet/Brown Key Side
Pink/White to Black w/Blue on APS Remote Starter
Pink to ????
Red to VEHICLE Red constant 12v
Black to VEHICLE Chassis Ground

When I try to start the vehicle with the remote starter, all I get is a constant clicking sound from the APS box.

I don't know what to do. Please Help.




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: December 15, 2011 at 1:44 PM

Try this :

APSVehicle
Red w/White       Lt. Blue w/Red        Battery
Red                                                         Battery
Yellow                 Yellow                       OK
Blue                     Pink w/White            OK
Green                  Not Connected         OK
Violet                   Not Connected         OK

Black                       Chassis Ground           OK
Gray                         Hood Pin                        OK
Gray w/Black          Not Connected             OK
Brown                      Not Connected            OK
Brown w/Black      White w/Tan                  OK
Yellow w/Black     Not Connected              OK
White                      White w/Tan                   Thru 2000K Ohm resistor
2nd White              Chassis Ground           OK
Lt. Blue                   Not Connected              To PKUCG2X  Brown wire
Green w/Orange    Blue w/Green                OK
Green w / YELLOW     Not Connected              OK
Black w/Blue           Pink/White                     OK 

2 pin Transponder Control Output --     Not Used

Xpresskit PKUCG2X
Brown             to VEHICLE Chassis Ground                          to APS 901C Lt Blue
Green             to VEHICLE Yellow Starter                               OK
Violet/White   to VEHICLE MUX Violet/Brown BCM Side     OK
Violet               to VEHICLE MUX Violet/Brown Key Side      OK
Pink/White     to Black w/Blue on APS Remote Starter       OK
Pink                                                                                               to APS 901C Blue 6Pin
Red                 to VEHICLE Red constant 12v                       Battery

Black              to VEHICLE Chassis Ground                         OK
 



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Posted By: jcampbell490
Date Posted: December 15, 2011 at 1:52 PM
Thank you very much. I'll reply with results later today.




Posted By: jcampbell490
Date Posted: December 15, 2011 at 2:58 PM
Thank you. I've gotten all the wires connected, but still having the same clicking problem with the remote starter module. What are some common troubleshooting areas to look into?




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: December 15, 2011 at 3:13 PM

Did the PKUCG2X bypass program in accordance with the install guide?

Can't help too much with the APS 901C R/S and its' programming, etc.  Not one of my brands.  I believe there are forum members that use them and can assist.



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Posted By: lectricguy
Date Posted: December 16, 2011 at 8:09 PM

I haven't been on in some time...Maybe I can help.

Kreg is correct--you need to confirm the bypass is programmed properly. 

Next:

1.)   Just to touch on the wiring, how did you hook up the parking lights?   Per Kreg's earlier post, the parking lights need to be hooked up through a 2K (or 2000 OHM) resistor; I believe Kreg had listed 2000K--a typo.   Refer to this diagram for parking light hookup: https://www.bulldogsecurity.com/diagrams/extrainfo/diagrams/14301_CARAVAN_CHRYSLER%20PARKING%20LIGHT%20DIAGRAM.pdf   The hookup also requires a relay for isolation.  If the parking lights are not wired properly, or with a resistor that is too large (i.e., 2000K or 2M OHMS), you won't get parking lights, but will just hear the APS901's parking light relay flash.

2.) What is happening when you press the APS901C's remote?  If you hold the remote button down, the parking lights just flash--this is a car finder mode.   If you press the remote 2x in sucession for remote start, does the unit just click?  How do yout have "input check" set?  it is default to Tach.

Generally, when a remote start attempt is made with APS901C without first learning tach, the parking lights flash 7x, indicating that the unit has not "learned" the tach signal.   I would make sure the parking lights are wired correctly, and then try setting the input check to "voltage"  and retry. 

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As far as setting the input check, put the key in the ignition and turn it to the "on" position.  Press the programming button on the antenna 3x (the parking lights should flash once, and the LED on the antenna should flash).  Turn the ignition off, then back to "on" (this puts you into programming bank 2).  Then turn the ignition to off and then to "on" once again--you are now in programming bank 3.  Now press the programming switch on the antenna five times.  The parking lights will flash each time you press, reflecting the feature setting that is configured, and the LED will reflect the feature.    For example, when you are in bank 2, press the programming button 1x.  The parking lights will flash twice (reflecting 10minute run time default setting), and the LED will flash 1x slowly, indicating the first feature.  

When you press the button the 5th time, parking lights will flash 2x, indicating the tach setting (default), and the LED will blink 5x, off, 5x, etc.,  indicating the 5th feature is selected.

Now press the remote button once to select DBI tach, and a second time to select voltage.  Each selection causes the parking lights to flash (3x for DBI Tach, 1x for Voltage).

You can exit programming mode by turning the key off.

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Once your bypass is properly programmed, the Parking lights are correctly wired, and the APS901 is configured for Voltage, try the remote start again.



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Lectric Guy




Posted By: jcampbell490
Date Posted: December 16, 2011 at 8:56 PM
Thank you very much lectricguy. I put a 2k Ohm resistor on the parking lights (no relay yet...don't want to get ahead of myself) and the lights work now. The tach issue was resolved when I connected it to a fuel injector wire. The remote start now works....only the bypass is not programmed properly and I've followed the directions to the T...so I thought...and no fix.

Its the Xpresskit PKUCG2X. I can get through all the steps to step 7...I put the PC Boardless key into the ignition within 20 seconds (after grounding the brown wire), but I don't get the chime or light that comes on for 3 seconds.

I'm following "Install B" and the wiring is as follows:
Bypass Side
Brown to Lt Blue of RS
Green to Yellow of Vehicle (starter)
Violet/White to Violet/Brown of Vehicle BCM Side (wire is cut)
Violet to Violet/Brown of Vehicle Key Side
Pink/White to RS BLACK/ Blue "Pulsed Ground output Before Start"
Pink to Blue of 6 pin harness on RS
Red to Vehicle Battery
Black to Vehicle Ground

Do you know what I'm doing wrong?




Posted By: flobee4
Date Posted: December 16, 2011 at 10:17 PM
To program that bypass in the past, I've opened up the bypass(single Phillips screw under the label on the back, just poke through the label with the screwdriver)and taken the circuit board out. You can see the transponder on the bypasses circuit board, its standing up like a black little tower. It Possibly has hot glue around it. After you turn the 2nd key, you have 60 seconds. So, what I like to do is when the second key comes out, I stick the little transponder "tower" Into the space where the key would go(key cylinder) and hold it there, THEN while holding it in that spot apply power to the ignition wire with a jumper. Continue to hold it with the transponder "tower" in the key cylinder opening for 15-20 seconds. The car may or may not make a chiming noise at all to confirmed it learned the transponder. But, if it does chime at 10 seconds you are done regardless of how long you held it there.
Also for the jumper, I used to use a toggle switch and just flip the switch when it was time. This makes balancing everything much easier...




Posted By: flobee4
Date Posted: December 16, 2011 at 10:34 PM
Sorry, I didn't realize you had the keyless remote built into caravan's key. I still open the bypass box, but make sure you have the transponder in position BEFORE you insert the key back in step 7. You do not have to have the brown wire activated, or the bypass even plugged into the harness this way. Turn the empty key while holding the transponder tower up the the key cylinder. The transponder needs to be there the whole time, and again, before the key is even inserted.





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