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2003 impala remote start issues

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: May 03, 2024 at 8:15 PM


Topic: 2003 impala remote start issues

Posted By: dsjacr
Subject: 2003 impala remote start issues
Date Posted: March 10, 2012 at 9:35 PM

I have installed a compustar 600s along with the Fortin INSTL+ in a 2003 Impala and I can't get it to start. The lights come on in the dash and all I hear is the starter click one time. The unit then attempts this two more times. I have gone through the program process atleast 10 times with the same result. I am holding the program button on the bypass module and installing the black 4 wire plug. The led lights upcome solid. I then release the button and plug in the white plug. I then hold the lock the button on the remote while turning the key to on. The less flashes and I then start the car. The led then goes off. I can not get the car to run with the white wire at the coil connected to the yellow and black wire on the 600S. It missesto very badclean and dies when startingI with the key duringto programming. I have the orange and
black wire from the INSTL+ connect to th yellow and black on the 600s though. All door lock and trunk release functions work fine. I do have the brake wire connected. All connections are soldered. I am thinking that the VATS is stopping the start process.and that is why it only clicks? Thanks



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Posted By: dsjacr
Date Posted: March 10, 2012 at 9:40 PM
The phone auto corrected one of my sentences. The one stating that the car misses very bad with the white tach wire connected at the coil while starting with the key during program mode. Hopefully not too confusing. :-)




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: March 10, 2012 at 10:11 PM

I have found the INT-SL+ tach output iffy.  You should only have the the CM600-s Yellow/Black Tach input wire connected
to either the Impala's coil wire or the INT-SL+'s tach output ( not both ).  The CM600-s comes set for Tachless Mode.  Did you
change Option 2-04 to Setting 2 and then do the Tach Learn process?



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Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: March 11, 2012 at 8:31 AM
The tachless mode on the CS600 sucks, which is why I won't use them.....but it's still a good troubleshooting tool. Keep the unit in tachless mode at least until you get the rest of the install figured out. I wouldn't leave it that way and put the car back together, no.....just use it temporarily to eliminate that as a possible source of trouble.

Also, does the module light up when you activate the remote starter? It should, I think. If it doesn't, maybe your ground-when-running isn't hooked up right.

Also, is the INTSL hardwired, or is it connected to the remote starter using the data cable that plugs in? If you're using the data cable, be aware that the CS600 only has one-way communication through data.

That is, whatever it puts out (lock, unlock, trunk, et cetera) goes through the data cable like you'd expect. However, the CS600 does not "take in" anything through data. That is, anything that the INTSL sends out (tach, brake, door status, et cetera) still has to be hardwired to the corresponding inputs on the CS600; the CS600 will not "listen" to these things through data. This is detailed somewhere in the installation manual for the CS600, but it's easy to miss.




Posted By: dsjacr
Date Posted: March 11, 2012 at 9:01 AM
I will try all of your suggestions this morning. I have notthe changes option 2-04 to setting 2. The LED does light up when in start mode. Thanks for your help and I will update after while. The installation manual for the 600s sucks too. Lol





Posted By: dsjacr
Date Posted: March 11, 2012 at 11:23 AM

I have tried wiring without the data link and obtained the exact same results.  It will go into start mode and the starter will click one time.  I have a good ground connection and I cannot figure out what is going wrong here.  The manual states that the parking lights will flash if it fails to start but that is not so in my installation.  I have listed below my current connections along with a pic of the wires connected to the ignition harness.  I do not have the green or white wire soldered yet due to uncertainty of their placement.

600S

Red- 12V Constant

GREEN / WHITE-NC

RED / White- Soldered in with 12V constant listed above

White-Pink at ignition harness

Blue-NC

Yellow- Yellow starter wire at ignition harness

Green-Green at ignition harness

Black- Grounded to body

Violet/white- Lt. Blue/Blk of the INSTL+

Blue-White on INSTL+

Blue/Blk- Lt. Blue on INSTL+

Black (-) Status Out-  Blue (Neg while running on INSTL+)

Yellow/Blk- ORANGE / Blk on INSTL+

4 wire harness to INSTL+ only has red connected to 12+ constant and the black wire is grounded.  The blue and white wires are not used.

Thanks





Posted By: dsjacr
Date Posted: March 11, 2012 at 11:28 AM
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Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: March 11, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Here are the ignition connections.  Acc2 is not shown/powered and would require an additional relay.
CM600-s           Impala
Red      Red     +12V
RED / White      Red     +12V
White Orange   ACC1
Blue   Green    IGN2
Yellow Yellow Starter
Green Pink     IGN1

Nice solder connections!  posted_image



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Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: March 11, 2012 at 12:36 PM

Looks like you had the Impala's IGN1 powered from the CM600-s as an Accessory wire.

Here are some more connections you didn't mention:
CM600-s             INT-SL+
GREEN / WHITE      Pink/Black   Parking Lights (-)
Green  (Thick)   Pink              Ignition1 ( continues to Pink Ign1 wire at ignition harness )

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Posted By: dsjacr
Date Posted: March 11, 2012 at 12:36 PM
That fixed it! Thanks a million!!!




Posted By: dsjacr
Date Posted: March 11, 2012 at 12:52 PM
One more question. Does acc2 need to be connected? Im assuming I could trigger the relay with either the white or green thick wires from the 600s? What does acc2 run? Thanks




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: March 11, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I believe the Brown ACC2 powers extraneous items like wipers and power windows, not too sure.  It shouldn't hurt
anything to try it without.  If you you want to power it, the CM600-s makes it pretty easy.  Use the thin WHITE/ Black
wire (-) Accessory Output to control the extra relay. 

Wire as follows :
Relay Pin 85 to CM600 WHITE/ Black
Relay Pin 86 and 87 to +12V constant thru 20 Amp fuse
Relay Pin 30 to Brown ACC2
Relay Pin 87A not used - insulate



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Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: March 11, 2012 at 7:03 PM
I agree with kreg357. I never power it, including on my own personal GM cars. This way, the wipers remain off during remote start, even if you left them on when you parked the car.

P.S. Just curious, did the parking light input on the INTSL work for you? I tried it once a few years ago and it didn't.




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: March 11, 2012 at 7:59 PM
Did a 2005 Trailblazer with an INT-SL recently.  Went W2W and it did control the Parking Lights through the INT-SL module.

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Posted By: dsjacr
Date Posted: March 11, 2012 at 8:02 PM
Yes the parking lights work. I opted not to hook up the acc2. Everything works great now. The only thing that I would like is for the doors to auto lock during remote starting. I couldn't find this programming info in the owners manual, but that's not saying it isn't written somewhere. Thanks a million!




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: March 11, 2012 at 8:47 PM
Not sure if the D2D mode will complicate things but...here is a possible ( indirect ) solution.
Assuming you are not presently using the CM600-s Orange Rearm Output wire, take a look at programming option 2-07.  If you
program 2-07 to Setting 3 and connect the Orange wire to the INT-SL Purple Lock Input wire, it should accomplish your needs.

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Posted By: dsjacr
Date Posted: March 11, 2012 at 9:07 PM
Thanks! I Googled programming compustar 600s and found an installation manual. I bough 3 of these online and neither included this manual. I was going by the wiring listed on the rear of the 600s and the instructions that came with the INSTL+. No wonder I had a hard time lol. I assumed that since all 3 units did not include this manual that it only had a users manual? I appreciate all of your help!!!





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