bmw x1, viper 5904

Hi to one and all . I am about to install a Viper 5904 into my BmwX1 2011 manual transmission ( E84 ) and require some assistance on the following points.

1. I am unable to locate the (-) Handbrake status input in the wiring harness H1 H2 or H3   

2. As i am going to use D2D with the DBALL from Xpresskit i will need a KIBMW2 module for the remote start , does anybody know if this module is the same as the KIBMW ( without the 2 ) ? I can only find KIBMW on any websites for sale.

Please note i am in the UK and i am having to source all parts from the states as they are not on sale over this side of the pond.

Thanks in advance

Get your by-pass and BMW specific from Fortin in Canada, they provide install diagrams and their product works better.
I don't know if you are an amateur /DIYer or a pro, if you're an amateur, I hope to god that you know a techie or two in your local BMW stealership, because otherwise, one mistake at £150 per hour....

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Howie thanks for the info i will look up fortin . Do you have any idea on the Viper 5904 handbrake status input pin.   Notice you are in blighty, anywhere near Manchester ?

OK spent the last hour looking up fortin . the module they supply Does not cover the BMWX1 just the 1 3 5 series X5 X6 and mini cooper. this appears to be the same module that Dircted Electronics supply (KIBMW), ( same manufacturer !! ). looks like i will have to contact fortin for vehicle application list of the INT-BMW2 .

'Fraid not, North London and I don't really get involved anymore except as a consultant.
That pin is BLACK/ white also known as Neutral Safety wire.
All the current BMW's with PTS are the same, an X1 = a 1 Series, that's how I treated them when I was still working.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Thanks for the info howie will just have to wait for orders to arrive from over the pond.

the fortin piece will work with the x1, we took one on last week and it worked fine. fortin only lists vehicles that work once they have actually tested their products in the car, whereas some xpresskits modules lists "they work" but as install comes around, its a PITA doing diagnostics for the installer.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Thanks Ted ,    I assume you used the int-BMW-2 ?   Did you use the EVO ALL or the EVO Can with this , using D2D ? 

I have just ordered the Viper and a Directed KIBMW  . Iam having them delivered to a colleague in the States as i cannot get the parts delivered over here !!!!!   Maybe i will order the fortin parts as well and use the Directed parts on a friends 5 series, to be safe.

Any info or points of note would be grately received.

Thanks again Dave

you need the int-bmw2 and whichever evo module you decide. either will work fine. i use the evo-all as i have it readily available. and i only w2w my connections, i dont use d2d.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Thanks for that ted. Is the D2D not that reliable then or do you just prefer to w2w .

im just not a fan of d2d. i have yet to see a reliable solution from directed in general. if we are talking about idatalink or fortin with compustar then there is no issue. but i just spend the extra 5min and w2w everything.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

TED

Thats made my mind up then. i,ll w2w the viper 5904 to the Fortin EVOall and the int-bmw2 .

Ill just have to get them shipped over as well now.

Thanks again for your advice , much appreciated

Dave

Im back ! I have installed the system and yes you guess it i have a little problem.   LOL

Alarm works great . I used the d2d setup with the evo all from fortin and the Viper 5904 . The evo all can now pe programmed to use D2D as apposed to fortin data protocol. Everything works on the alarm side , ie the viper sees when the door , trunk , ignition etc, trigger the alarm.

As i have a manual transmission with the KIBMW2 bypass installed i have set the Viper to Manual mode and learned the Tach signal. I have connected a wire to the injector direct to be sure.

The Viper will not go in to MTS mode when i select remote start with the keyfob!

If i go back to automatic transmission mode i can remote start the vehicle , but only if i manually press the clutch pedal?

Any ideas would be appreciated guys .  Thanks  Dave

Change it to W2W.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Theres an idea . lol should of done that in the first place!!!!!!