murano remote start problem

HI,

I have installed Python 594 in 2006 Nissan Murano everything about alarm is working fine.
Problem is remote start, connections:

H3/1 Pink-Ingnition1 Input output-wire to Ignition wire
H3/2 RED / White to 12V constant
H3/3 Orange Accessory output to ACC 1
H3/4 Violet to Car side of starter 1
H3/5 Green to key side of starter 1

H3/7 Pink/White Ignition2/flex relay output I used for Starter 2 programed in Python menu
H3/8 Pink/Black +Flex Relay input-Not used
H3/9 RED / Black Fused 30A Acc/starter input 12V constant
ACC2 I have used relay
Car does not want to start only ACC2 there is no ignition no cranking
H3/6 Red fused 30A ignition input?? I try to connect it to 12V constant but Python(relay inside) start to make noise and dash is blinking????

What did I do wrong?

Not sure.  Did you use a DMM to verify the Starter1 vs the Ignition1 wires at the ignition switch harness?  Here is the H3 wiring :

H3/1 Pink-Ingnition1 Input output    BLACK/ Red (+)  @ ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 3  
H3/2 RED / White     Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1
H3/3 Orange Accessory output       Red (+)  @ ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 4
H3/4 Violet     Car side        BLACK/ Red (+)  @ ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 5
H3/5 Green    Switch side   BLACK/ Red (+)  @ ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 5
H3/6 Red fused 30A ignition input   Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1
H3/7 Pink/White Flex relay ***Set to ACC2***          BLACK / YELLOW  +  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 6
H3/8 Pink/Black +Flex Relay input- Not used
H3/9 RED / Black Fused 30A Acc/starter input           Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1    

Relay for ACC2
Relay Pin 85 to Python 594 thin Orange (-) 200mA Accessory Output
Relay Pin 86 and 87 to Murano Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1, thru 20 Amp fuse
Relay Pin 30 to Murano WHITE/ Blue (+)  @ ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 2 

Be arawe that there are two BLACK/ Red wires at the ignition switch harness.  You must use a DMM and reference the plug
pin-outs to ensure connections to the correct wire. 

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Hi

thank you for fast reply, I will use dmm.
Ignition should have 12v when key is in on pos.
Starter only when cranking?

Yes.  DMM set to 20V DC, Black test lead to chassis ground and Red test lead to suspect wire.
Ignition wire should show +12V at ON and START positions.
Starter wires should show +12V in START position only.

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Hi

I have relay for acc2 connected to -200mA
status output on Python is this ok?

Not really, assuming it's wired like the relay above and instead of (-) ACC at Pin 85 you connected (-) Status.  (-) Status Output comes on a second before Ignition output and does not drop out during cranking.  It would be better to wire it up exactly as shown above.  The Python has the (-) Accessory Output wire right there all ready to go, might as well use it.

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I have tested wires with dmm, they are wired corecctly.
Starter has 12v only during cranking, Ignition has 12v in on and when running.

I have no Idea what to check further.

I dont know why H3/6 wire when coneccted to 12v constant causes relay humim and cluster light bliks like in low battery but car start normaly with key.


Also I have tried if I press remote start and connect ignition wire and H3/6 to 12v at that time
and hold connected car start normal.
Strange.

Hi

i have change wires on relay like you said but still
same only radio turns on and off and two way remote says Low Battery in car

I have recheck all wires again, first how do you know you have 2 acc wires, my first acc wire shows 12v in on and running position (is it possible that my murano has two ignition wires?), my so called second is showing 12v in acc key position normal for acc wire.
Other wires, Ignition 1, Starter 1 and 2 are ok.
When I check my alarm box when I press remote start button there are no
relay clicking.

Any idea?

Thanks

i m keep on trying,

If I press remote start and turn key in on position
car start asp its no need for me to crank the engine.

Ideas are more than welcome

Have you tried another Python 594 unit yet?  Have you put a DMM on the H3/1 Pink wire?  It should only output 12V during a
remote start.   H3/1 is feed by H3/6.  Perhaps that relay is stuck on?

The Python 594 has four +12V power wires that should be connected to +12V constant battery source, H1/1 Red, H3/2 RED / White,
H3/6 Red and H3/9 RED / Black.  Additionally, the external relay for ACC2 needs +12V constant as shown in the wiring above.

Perhaps there are difference between the US market vehicles and your Murano.  Does the vehicles main ignition connector
match, wire for wire and pin by pin, with the wiring listed above?

Might help if you listed all your connections, including any bypass module used.

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Hi

12v constant wire are all connected except H3/6 as I writed above, ACC 2 is wired corectly, Maybe there is A different betwen US and EU Murano,
Exmp.: i have 2006 but BCM is have not 40 pin conecctor and Can L and Can H was not in BCM but in obd 2 connector

but wires on ignition are like as said, test results
are as that should be.

Obout baypass what do you mean?

US models have an ignition key with a transponder chip.  The vehicles ignition switch has an antenna that receives the keys' transponder chip info and then allows a start-up.  If you had a plain metal key made at a hardware store, it would open the doors and turn in the ignition cylinder but the vehicle would not start and run.  A bypass module is added and programmed during a remote start install to fool the vehicle into thinking a valid transponder chip is near the ignition cylinder.

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Hi,

I have key with transponder inside, and for that
I have Flaslogic Flcan.

Even without the car should be cranking but not
ignite.
I will connect wires all over again today.

Do you know should both ACC wire have 12v at same time-key position or not.

Mjne red is acting up like Ignition wire.

Might be best to list all your connections.  Also FLCAN info ( firmware & version and wire connections ).

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ok

I will do that and write it up here.
What should I do with red ACC wire?

Thanks

Hi

This is what I have discovered I have connected
H2/10 pink Ignition 1 Output wire to H3/1 wire
when I connect H3/6 fused to 12v the ignition pink wire H3/1 has 2V and relay is buzzing. If I disconect H2/10 then ignition is on constantly until I disconect red H3/6 wire.

My conncetions are:
Flcan to Python with D2D cable
Pink-Ignition input to car Ignition
trunk status input (-) cant findit on Python
H1/1 to Green 12v ignition
h1/2 to ground
h1/3 not used
h1/4 not used
h1/5 parking lights
h1/6 not used


h2 i will write only wire i have connected;

H2/2 netural sefty-ground
h2/10 to ignition wire in ignition connector
h2/16 brake to brake +
I will use other wires like rear defrost and sunroof, trunk release as soon as my remote start works
h3

h3/1 to car ignition
h3/2 to 12v const.
h3/3 to acc one
h3/4 to car side starter
h3/5 to key side starter
h3/6 to 12v const.
h3/7 to starter 2 programed in python menu
h3/8 not used
h3/9 to 12v const.

I

The first question is :  What firmware is flashed on to the FLCAN?  I believe it should be FLC-AL(DL)-NI1 and the guide to use
is #5463 ( in the US ).  If you are going D2D, all of the dashed Orange lines are handled by the D2D harness connection.  Only
the solid Black lines must be hardwired.   That is two wires to the OBD2 connector for the CAN data wires and the optional
connections to the "Security Light" wire.  The Pink wire should connect to the Python H3/1 Pink wire ( which continues to the
Muranos' BLACK/ Red Ignition1 wire at the ignition switch harness ).

Next big question :  Did the FLCAN program properly to the vehicle?

Here is a link to the Viper 5904 install guide :  https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/file.asp?ID=1093    Download it and compare it
to your Python 594 system.  This is the manual I'm using.

Not sure when exactly you decided to make the connection between the H2/10 (-) Ignition Output to the H3/1 (+) Ignition Output,
but that is very wrong and it is very possible that your Python 594 is now bad.   The (-) 200mA igntion outputs ( H2/10, H2/18, H2/22
and H2/1 ) are meant to control relays and other low current negative uses.  I am not sure what connecting it to a 30 Amp (+) circuit
will do to the internal components of the 594 module.

Here is the detailed wiring list I expected you to provide :

H1/1 RED (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT     Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1
H1/2 BLACK (-) CHASSIS GROUND Chassis Ground
H1/3 BROWN (+) SIREN OUTPUT   Python siren
H1/4 WHITE/ BROWN PARKING LIGHT PIN 87a      Not used
H1/5 WHITE PARKING LIGHT OUTPUT  *** Set to (+)***     RED / blue (+)  above driver kick, gray 16 pin plug, pin 14
H1/6 ORANGE (-) 500mA G W A OUTPUT   Not used

H2/1 PINK/WHITE (-) 200mA IGNITION/FLEX RELAY OUTPUT     Not used
H2/2 BLACK/ WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY INPUT Chassis Ground
H2/3 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOG OUTPUT      Not used
H2/4 GREEN/ BLACK (-) 200mA OEM ALARM DISARM OUTPUT              Not used
H2/5 RED / WHITE (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D
H2/6 GREEN (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT (N/C* OR N/O)    ***Default***     Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D
H2/7 BLACK / YELLOW (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT SUPER OUTPUT             Not used  
H2/8 BROWN / BLACK (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT   GREEN/ orange (-)  above driver kick, white 32 pin plug, pin 6
H2/9 DARK BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT    Not used, handled by FLCAN D2D. Might be needed for Keysense relay  
H2/10 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT         Not used
H2/11 WHITE/ BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT               Not used
H2/12 VIOLET (+) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT           Not used
H2/13 WHITE/ VIOLET (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT Not used
H2/14 VIOLET/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT Not used
H2/15 ORANGE / BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT           Not used
H2/16 BROWN (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT    RED / green (+)  above driver kick, gray 16 pin plug, pin 6
H2/17 GREY (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (N/C OR N/O) Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D ( if factroy equipped )
H2/18 VIOLET / YELLOW (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT     Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D
H2/19 BLUE (-) TRUNK PIN/ INSTANT TRIGGER INPUT (N/C OR N/O)     Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D  
H2/20 GREY/BLACK (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT   Not used  
H2/21 WHITE/ BLUE (-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER Not used
H2/22 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT   to Pin 85 of external relay for ACC2
H2/23 VIOLET/WHITE TACHOMETER INPUT         Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D
H2/24 GREEN / WHITE (-) 200mA OEM ALARM ARM OUTPUT         Not used

H3/1 Pink-Ingnition1 Input output               BLACK/ Red (+)  @ ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 3 and FLCAN Pink wire  
H3/2 RED / White   Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1
H3/3 Orange Accessory output                  Red (+)  @ ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 4
H3/4 Violet     Car side     BLACK/ Red (+)  @ ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 5
H3/5 Green    Switch side   BLACK/ Red (+)  @ ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 5
H3/6 Red fused 30A ignition input   Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1
H3/7 Pink/White Flex relay ***Set to Starter2***    BLACK / YELLOW  +  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 6
H3/8 Pink/Black +Flex Relay input-           Not used
H3/9 RED / Black Fused 30A Acc/starter input        Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1  
*** Just noticed the error on the H3/7 wire in my earlier post, sorry.  This wire is used for Starter2 and the Python Menu 3
programming should reflect that.

1 BLUE (-) 500mA UNLOCK OUTPUT Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D 
2 EMPTY NOT USED
3 GREEN (-) 500mA LOCK OUTPUT   Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D

External 30/40 Amp Bosch style relay for ACC2
Relay Pin 85 to Python 594 H2/22 thin Orange (-) 200mA Accessory Output
Relay Pin 86 and 87 to Murano Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1, thru 20 Amp fuse
Relay Pin 30 to Murano WHITE/ Blue (+)  @ ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 2
Relay Pin 87a not used - insulate

On US models, DEI lists the Keysense wire as "Required" for remote starting.  Providing this signal to the vehicle will require
another relay, wired as below.
Relay Pin 85 to Python H2/9 Dark Blue (-) 200mA Status Output or H2/3 Blue/White ( if not used for Defog )
Relay Pin 86 and 87 to Murano Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1, thru 5 Amp fuse
Relay Pin 30 to Murano Keysense, wire info below :
KEYSENSE  BLACK/ RED (+)  @ BCM, WHITE 40-PIN PLUG, PIN 37 
Keysense    RED / Blue to BLACK/ Red (required) (+)     @ ignition key switch or BCM, white 40 pin plug, pin 37

Once again, all this info is tailored for a US market vehicle.  It is apparent that your Murano is different because of the BCM ( and
possibly other modules and wiring ) and may not be accurate for your vehicle.

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Hi,

first of all thank you for your help. ;)
I have removed
connection -200mA ignition output before I have used Python.

Problem was bad relay for ignition wires input/output i used DMM and beeper and found out that pins are connected all the time. This was factory eror!

I took relay 87a and wired it
85 to -200mA status output
86-87 constant 12v 40A
30 To car Iginition.

That was that. Remote start is working 100%
and alarm alsso after connting rest of wires.

Thank you again. Im prety angry at Directed Elec.
to sell this with malfunction.
Its ok if you live in US you send it back, for me sending it back is 200 $ shipping cost.

So thank you again.

Good news!  Glad it is now working properly.  Was your Python 594 a "refurb" unit or Factory Brand new?

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Hi

it was new, and I m very satisfied with 594,
they did a good job.

I will open bussines her in Slovenia selling and
installing remote starts. I will be the first.
Wich remote starts do you recommend to install
and they have good service?
Im pripaired to fly tu US to learn how to doit
corecctly.

Not sure if the units I use / prefer are offered for sale in Europe.   Each country has it's own rules on transmitter frequencies, etc.  You should check with a few major manufacturers to see if their products are compliant with Slovenia's regulations. 

Directed makes the Viper, Python and Avital units ( among others ).  Here is a link to them :    https://www.directed.com/  They do offer training.

Compustar is another quality system manufacturer.  Here is a link to them :  https://www.compustar.com/

Audiovox is another major player in this industry.  Here is a link :  https://audiovoxproducts.com/

You used a FLCAN bypass module for your Murano install.  The FLCAN is actually made by ADS iDatalink and called the ADS AL CA bypass module.  Here is a link to their WEB site :  https://www.idatalink.com/support  Additionally, there is a site for Russian language and product support at : https://www.12voltdata.com/russia/

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