passat b6 with viper5704 and dball2

hello everyone, I'm new from here...
I have an automatic VW Passat B6 2010 model, and I want to install a security car sistem with remote start with DBALL2.
I have following modules:
-Viper 5704
-Directed 556U-B / 556UW for transponder key
-XpressKit XpressKit DBALL2 for CAN comunicatin
-Directed Directed 620V led flash
-Directed Directed 507M till sensor
-Directed Directed 506T audio sensor

I connected Viper 5704 to DBALL2 via W2W see diagram, but I have issues with connecting the Remote Start wires...could you help me with these?



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Ovidiu

I don't use the heavy gauge wiring, I substitute thinner stuff.
One of the easiest cars to do, wire it D2D.
Just follow that diagram.
I also believe you need a by-pass for OEM immobiliser look at the first few pages of the install guide.

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now I have done W2W..how I can change to D2D..just unplug the conectors?

plesea, could you help me with H3 connection harness?
here is what I think, but correct me if I missed someting.

remote start 10 pin heavy gauge connector      
H3/1 pink (+) ignition 1 input/output     pin 11 black of G plug @BCM and pin 9 of 10 pin connector on dball2
H3/2 RED / white (+) fused 30a ignition 2/ flex replay input 87      pin 16 green of starter ignition harness
H3/3 orange (+) accessory output      12V constant
H3/4 violet (+) starter output car side of started kill      cut 3 GREEN/ red starter wire at ignition harness & connected H3/4 to starter side 
H3/5 green (+) started input key side of starter kill      cut 3 GREEN/ red wire at ignition harness and connected H3/5 to key side 
H3/6 red (+) fused 30a ignition 1 input     
H3/7 pink/white (+) ignition 2 flex relay output     
H3/8 pink/black (+) flex relay input 87a key side if required of flex relay      not used 
H3/9 RED / black (+) fused 30a accessory/starter input      connected to same wire at ignition harness as I connected H3/2(RED / white) 


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Ovidiu

It looks like all your H3 wires are wrong, I'll get back to you later.

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H3/1 Pink Correct.
H3/2 RED / white not used.
H3/3 Orange not used.
H3/4 Violet to starter side after cutting RED / black starter wire.
H3/5 Green to plug side of RED / black starter wire.
H3/6 Red to thick plain red at fusebox, side of instrument panel.
H3/7 Pink/white not used.
H3/8 Pink/black not used.
H3/9 RED / black join to red above.

Now read page 4 of the install guide.


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thanks a lot...
I've read...and I connect:
pin 2 blue from bypass module to: -H2/5 dark blue (-) 200mA Status Output (Viper 5704)
    -pin 10 blue/white (-) GWR (status) input (DBALL2)

isn't corect?

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Ovidiu

Yes, exactly as you said.

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my DBALL2 module is unprog. and i don't have XLoader2, is it posible to program is without XKLoade2?
regarding interconnection, I'll use W2W, and I have one wire which I dont no where I can connect it to alarm system (pin 8 (+) Start Input from black connector -- DBALL2)...
If I connect cable for D2D...module switch automaticaly to D2D, or I need to unplug conector?

thank you again


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Ovidiu

No.
And I fail to understand the second part of your question, just follow the diagram.

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in D2D mode it has more functions...and if I want to shich from W2W to D2D...how I can do this? when I connect cable whit 4 pins...module knows and shich automaticaly...to D2D? or it is necessary to unplug conectors from alarm system?! I hope to understand now (my English is not so good...:))

regarding sensors...how it is better to pair them first connector(shock sensor + till sensor) and the second connector (audio sensor)...isn't correct?

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Ovidiu

Again just follow the diagram you showed originally, from your postings, should you be attempting this you don't appear to understand very much of what you're doing.

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I suggest you let Falcon the Romanian importer install it for you they are extremely good, we deal with them.

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I dont no how I can explain you better. Does't matter. I will try to do when I have all done in car.
Thanks a lot for your patience.


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Ovidiu

I studied again DBALL 2_Installation Guide (page 9), and there is an extra relay connected to ignition switch plug... Is it necessary an extra relay...or viper5704 has one relay inside of its?

does anyone have a schematic (for Viper 5704) for a better understanding? I don't understand well H3 harness (remote start)


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Ovidiu

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Ovidiu

First that diagram is all you should need, that's all I use plus if you don't know the Viper layout look at the quick reference sheet that comes with it.
Second yes you will need that relay.
By the way, substitute the heavy duty wires for much thinner ones as outputs you only need ignition and starter.
The only parts you will need connected to the Viper on H1 are red brown and black, you can de-pin the others, on H2 pin 5 dark blue status/GWR wire and on H3 :-
Pink
Violet
Red and RED / Black and that's where you can use thinner wires for the above 4
Join the red to the RED / black and fuse both at 15amps then join with the red at H1.

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so H3:
-Pink to G plug at BCM pin 11 Black
-Violet to G plug at BCM pin 1 RED / Black
-Red and RED / Black to +12V
is it correct now?
I'll change all wires with another some thinner (maybe 0.35mm2)

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Ovidiu

Yes, correct, but don't go below 0.5mm.
Use at least 7.5amp rating on the wiring.

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tomorrow I'll install it on my car...:)
I'm having all necessary information for this.

Thank you a lot

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Ovidiu

I've just installed the car system alarm...but...the remote start doesn't work. The remote control say "Remote Start Error"
What I can recheck? my DBALL2 and Viper 5704 are connected via W2W. One wire I don't connected Gray wire (red connector from DBALL2) to brake switch...isn't my problem from this wire?

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Ovidiu

No , could be if it's an auto.

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I need to do same procedure for viper learning Remote Start?
My car is automatic, viper need to know that thing?

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Ovidiu

Open driver's door, turn ignition on and off, hold control centre button, after a few seconds siren should chirp once then twice, then three times, release button, then press and release then press and hold the button, siren will chirp once, release button then press lock/arm on remote until siren chirps twice, turn ignition on then off, siren will let out a strangled wail, job done.

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I've done this action, and I've started the engine.
I have other questions regarding sensors:
-connector number one: I've connected shock sensor and till sensor
-connector number two: I've connected audio sensor

is this configuration correct? or I need to do other one?



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Ovidiu

No. Orange on tilt to Orange armed out on H1, red and black to red and black on H1.

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till sensor has 3 wires:
-orange: GND - I've connected to orange on H1 (GND when car system alarm is armed)
-red: +12V - I've measured with multimeter on connector 1 (when sensor is plug)and there is +12V
-blue: trigger 2 signal (pin 4 on connector 1 - connector sensor)

there are 2 sensor connectors with 4 wires:
-red: 12V
-black: GND
-green: trigger 1
-blue: trigger 2
are corrected?


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Ovidiu

No connect the tilt as I've described please.


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ok...but how till sensor trigger the alarm?

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Ovidiu

Sorry, brain damage, connects to blue at H2. Marked as trunk pin/instant trigger, . My apologies.
To be honest in the real world, all you need are a dual zone prox and a glass break. I would recommend 2 sets of locking wheel nuts as a cheaper and better option than a tilt sensor.

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hmm...I understood now.

could you explain me please the wire on plug sensors. there are 4 wires:
-red: + 12V
-black: GND
-green: trigger 1
-blue: trigger 2

are there correct?

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Ovidiu

Yes the sensor packaging should tell you that, also I just plug them in, don't worry about the colours, plug and play.

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yes u are right regarding till sensor...but I've already bought one...and I need to connect it...:)

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Ovidiu

now my till sensor is mounted on my car but in different way:
-orange to orange on H1 (GND)
-red to red on sensor connector (+12V)
-black to black on sensor connector (trigger 2)

but...I noticed ... it doesn't work :((
maybe the blue wire need to connect on H2 blue (instant trigger input). Here I have a question: in this way...when till sensor trigger the car system alarm...my pager how reported me this thing? I've noticed when shock sensor is trigger my pager report this thing "shock sensor warm/shock sensor"

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Ovidiu

Oh the joys of learning never actually tested one. The early ones gave false alarms.
But yes, blue needs to go to blue, that's why it isn't working.
You may have damaged it by connecting the blue to a black which is an existing constant ground.
Yes tilt sensor should show as trunk if properly connected.

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how I can connect the till sensor, it is clear now.

now...where is better to mount the till sensor. On installation guide suggest on the flour, but I've mounted on the fuse box at an angle of 0 degrees ...there is a plane surface. It is important how it is mounted (vertical/horizontal - in relation with my car )?

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Ovidiu

Horizontal along the front to rear axis. Top of fusebox is fine.
Cut both of the loops, otherwise you will get false alarms.

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Hello again,
I have a little problem regarding flash lights. when the alarm is running (the siren makes noise), the flash lights doesn't work...
Could you explain me please, why?
sometimes, when I armed/disarmed the car, flash lights is working.
today, I connected H1/5-flash lights(from viper)-to-black connector pin 7(from DBALL2), but it's still not working.
Is it necessary to connect H1/5 on the another site?

thank you

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Ovidiu

Take that white lead, make it NEG (-) via the on board fuse and connect it to BROWN / red plug G 12 pin plug drive side under dash,VESCM module.

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for my understanding:
I need to connect a wire from H1/5-white-flash lights (from Viper) to plug G(under dash) pin 12-BROWN / red. After that I need to change polarity of flash lights from POS (+) to NEG (-) with little fuse on the brain module(Viper)

is it right?

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Ovidiu

Exactly.

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I'm understanding now. little bit hard to change the polarity, because I reach to my brain module very hard...question: is it possible to use POS (+) polarity in my case? if yes...which pin from G plug I'll need to use?!

thank you for your patience.

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Ovidiu

No. Never hide things until you've finished.😱

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Hy howie II...instate of RED / brown wire(in my case pin 9 is RED / brown) I have grey/violet wire at pin 12 from G plug. Is it any problem to connect there flash lights from H1/5?
Sorry but I dont know the pinout of the G plug

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Ovidiu

What does that wire do?
I'm guessing parking lights rather than indicators and have you tested it? You may find it's latching, you have to send it a second pulse to turn it off so test first.

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yes...you are right...but I don't have oscilloscope, and it is little bit difficult to measure latching with my multimeter.
could be ok if I found pinout for G plug...to see description of all pins.

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Ovidiu

Do you have a piece of wire, tie one end to a fused constant, flash the suspect wire. If that brings on the lights momentarily not latched. If it brings on the lights constantly then it's latched. Scopes? DMMs? Who needs them if you're a pro.
I still think you should pull the brain and turn the fuse round.

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...regarding Remote Start...I've have some problem:
-the engine start, but stop after 20 seconds

first: I thought the case for this problem is position of my transponder into the Directed 556U-B / 556UW, but I don't think that. is is a recommendation position of trasponder ( - or |) in relation with coil?
second: tach...but I didn't check it

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Ovidiu

That's usually symptomatic of tach not being recognised.
Is your tach through the DB-ALL? Try going under the hood to an injector wire, one on every injector is the same colour use one of the unlike colours.
If the vehicle is an auto try programming virtual tach and see what happens.
Last you did programme tach didn't you?
Start engine and within 5 seconds press and hold the button on the control centre until blue LED flashes.

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-regarding flashing lights: I connected little fuse on NEG (-) polarity yesterday. I'll check pin 9 (RED / brown) and pin 12 (gray/violet) on G plug to see which of them is latching.

-regarding Remote Start: I have tach signal from DBALL2 (in the past was working, but now I don't have idea why it doesn't work, maybe I remove battery, and it loose the memory). I tried to learn virtual taho, but no positive results...:(. I want to erase all the setting(I don't know how), and I'll try to reconfiguration the brain module(is it ok?).

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Ovidiu

Don't even go that far. Remove the White D2D plug if wired that way. Then holding the button replace that plug and LED should flash Orange, releas button, should go Red. Turn ignition on then wait until light goes green, job done.

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-regarding flashing lights: after I reset the DBALL2 module, the flashing lights is working now.


-regarding Remote Start: after I rest the virtual Taho, I relearned it and first remote start it works, but when I tried second time...it didn't work...I don't no why. I think...virtual taho signal is the cause, but I'm not sure.

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Ovidiu