dei vss5000 interface with dball2pro

Hello all,

As a 1st time Father's Day gift, I recently received a Viper VSS5000 (DSM200 & 5103 brain, w/474T remote), as well as a DBALL2Pro CAN-BUS interface. I'll be installing them into a 2012 Nissan Titan.

Each of the three modules has a single D2D data port. I've spent a fair amount of time scouring the web (including this forum) collecting diagrams, schematics, and install guides for this installation. The guides & diagrams contradict each other, somewhat. Included was a single 4-pin (brown on one end, white on the other)(3-wire) D2D cable. The guide for the VSS5000 indicates that the DSM200 should be connected to the VSS5000 module via the aforementioned D2D cable. However, the DBALL2Pro diagram indicates that this very same wire should interface the DSM200 & DBALL2Pro together. Almost as if the 5103 would be eliminated from the install altogether. This would eliminate a few features that are present in the 5103 that I'd like to have.

What am I missing here? Is this where W2W comes in? DEI is so protective of the diagrams, it's difficult to know what I missing. Is there a way for me to include the 5103 into the install? Are there additional harnesses that I'll need to buy? I haven't been able to locate any W2W diagrams/info for these modules.

I'm guessing the question will eventually come up, a local dealer has agreed to activate the DSM for $60.


I appreciate everyone's time & effort.


Cheers,
-M

I stand corrected, the supplied D2D/ESP cable has a black plug on the DSM side, and brown one on the other side. It is still a 4-pin/3-wire. (Not the Y-cable).

The WHITE/ brown cable is for the XKL2. It is 4-pin/4-wire (but a different wire color arrangement).

Cheers,

To confirm that, DSM uses a black three pin plug going to the black three pin socket on the 5103, DB-ALL uses a reddish brown plug going to the same colour receptacle on the 5103.
Note. Wire up the 5103, then the DB-ALL, confirm everything is working then plug in the DSM, if the DSM has a white or grey wire at the module end and gives you programming instructions, ignore, do nothing with that wire.

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Howie II, thank you for the reply.

In regards to your black-->black & reddish-->reddish suggestions;

DBALL2Pro, has a 4-pin plug receptacle , it's white.
VSS5000 (5103) has a 4-pin plug receptacle, it's also reddish-brown.
DSM200 has a 4-pin black plug receptacle (at end of 3" pigtail).

I have a cable that has (3) Green, Black, & Blue wires. It came with the VSS/DSM package. The plugs at both ends are 4-pin plugs. One end, black, fits the DSM pigtail. The other end, reddish-brown, fits either the 4-pin reddish-brown ("Bitwriter/D2D") port on the 5103, or the 4-pin white ("SmartStart/XKLoader2") port.

There are no black, 3-pin (or 4) ports/plugs on the 5103. Likewise, there are no 3-pin (or 4) on the DBALL2Pro, either. There's a black 2-pin (toggle) port, and a black 16-pin (H2) port on the DB. Those are the only black ports on either of those two modules.


There are both gray & white leads that stem from the DSM. I'll not connect those, as you instruct.   The user guide for the DB had instructed, that IF I connected the DSM to DB via D2D to ground the gray wire. At this point that sounds moot. The more I read, the more I think I'll be forced to figure out how to interface the 5103 & the DB via W2W (if possible), and connect the DSM to the 5103 via D2D. I'm not sure yet what features, if any, that I'll lose (between the DB & 5103).   


What are your thoughts?

Cheers,

Absolutely correct, my apologies, the 5103 is too old a unit to have the black 3 pin DSM 200 socket. I honestly don't know the answer unless you parallel wire it with the DB-ALL, I'm used to later units with "plug and play", short of advice from others here I think the 5103 needs to be upgraded.

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Try and swap the 5103 for a 5X04/6, then, no problems.

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howie ll wrote:

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Try and swap the 5103 for a 5X04/6, then, no problems.

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Forgive me but things sold in a package (VSS5000) "should" work together i.e. the dsm should interface with the 5103.

I'm no smartstart guru (can't see myself in paying a subscription fee to unlock/lock/start my car) but does the DSM not connect to the bitwriter port on the alarm/rs module and the bypass connect to the D2D port on the alarm/rs module?

Personally, I don't rely on colors but more diagrams and pinouts. Colors can lie, pinouts never will.

Doesn't have a Bitwriter port!

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The 5103 doesn't have? Oh well that's that. A little looking into the VSS5000, crutchfield indicates it (VSS5000 package) is compatible with DB-ALL but the DB-ALL has to be hardwired as the SmartStart module uses the D2D port. The DBALL2Pro might just be too all-in-one to mesh with the VSS5000 package

Its because the 5103 is an old fashioned piece of tat that should have been ditched from the range years ago.

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So that's why it's in a SmartStart package

Thanks for your suggestions, I appreciate them.

As I see it, here's my options;

A, Try and hard wire the 5103 to the DB.

B, Return the VSS5000 pkg ($150), purchase the DSM200 ($105) and like a 5106 ($128) separate, continue using the DBALL2Pro.

C, Keep the pkg that I have, and just not use the 5103 as part of it, just use the features that the DBALL2Pro has. (I wonder what I'd really lose there.)

D, Return the DBALL2Pro ($90) and purchase/use (hardwire?) a DBALL2 ($49).

E, Return the DBALL2Pro ($90) and purchase/use (hardwired) a FLCAN ($55).

What are the functionality differences between the DBALL2Pro & the DBALL2? If I'm just giving up the "security features" of the Pro...

And, according to the 5103 user-guide, that port is labeled as "Bitwriter/D2D port". If that has any bearing on this...

Thanks again for your time.

Cheers,

A and D The pro isn't needed with your install. Use a DB-ALL2.
Back to my first post, the bitwriter port takes the BLACK plug from the SmartStart.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

You already have everything you need to do the install. All D2D does is save you from making a bunch of connections between the 5103 and db all. Everything d2d does can be done in W2W. DEIs d2d is the most unreliable anyways. I've been a dealer for 12 years and have yet to trust d2d on anything but clifford and viper units. The 5103 is an avital/python brain therefore no esp/bitwriter port. Just a d2d/bitwriter port.

Thank you all for your time and suggestions. I appreciate it.

Cheers,

YES...the smart start module comes with ESP brown, ESP black, and D2D white to connect to directed electronics alarm and/or remote start modules that have either ESP OR/AND D2D ports. you can only connect ONE of the three options. If you are using a bypass module that is using up D2D, you have to use either BLACK ESP OR BROWN ESP to connect to your alarm and/or remote start module (if it has one available). If not, then you have to use that port for SmartStart and use W2W for the bypass module.
in other words, if it does not have a different port (D2D AND ESP ports separately), then..like the instructions say, For systems with combined 4-pin ESP/D2D ports, you CANNOT use an interface (bypass) module in D2D mode when using a SmartStart module. You must
use W2W on the bypass module, and connect 4-pin brown ESP to system.
As for the white D2D from Smart start, it should only be used if you are installing to RSR (Remote Start Ready) applications. all others..use brown ESP plug to D2D/ESP port of system

I hope this clears things up

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