headlights issue

hello everyone,have a question that hopefully someone can help me with..saturday morning i installed a prestige aps997c on my 95 honda civic,everything works so far except i decided to install the headlight option to turn on and off when the alarm is armed and dissarmed which worked great till this morning when i was going to work and my car battery was almost dead i followed this and connected #85 and #30 to a constant 12v, was i wrong?

White w/ Blue Trace Wire: Low Current (-) Ground Headlight Output
The White w/ Blue Trace wire is provided to operate the optional headlamp illumination feature of the
system. This is a low current (300mA) output and must be connected to an external relay to control the
high current switching circuit of the vehicle's headlamps. To use this option, Connect the White /w Blue
Trace wire to terminal # 86 of a P&B VF45F11 relay or equivalent. Connect Terminals #85 and # 30 to a
fused + 12 Volts source with a current capability equal to or in excess of the factory headlamp fuse.
Connect terminal # 87 of the relay to the switched + 12 volt wire feeding the vehicle's headlamp circuit.
Note: For ground switched headlamp circuits, Connect the White /w Blue Trace wire to terminal # 86 of
a P&B VF45F11 relay or equivalent. Connect Terminal #85 to a fused + 12 Volts source. Connect
terminal # 30 to a clean chassis ground. Connect terminal # 87 to the ground switched headlamp
control wire in the vehicle.

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Ruben

I take it that your headlights are positive switched so yes pin #30 and #85 to 12v (fused) constant. #87 to your headlight wire (RED / White) and #86 to the WHITE/ blue on the prestige.

If the relay isn't ON when not needed/expected then it's unlikely to be the cause of your battery drain. How is your starter kill wired? Wiring either #85 or #86 to 12v constant and the other side #86 or #85 to ground-when-armed (-) from the alarm is a common mistake that kills batteries easy.

catback wrote:

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I take it that your headlights are positive switched so yes pin #30 and #85 to 12v (fused) constant. #87 to your headlight wire (RED / White) and #86 to the WHITE/ blue on the prestige.

If the relay isn't ON when not needed/expected then it's unlikely to be the cause of your battery drain. How is your starter kill wired? Wiring either #85 or #86 to 12v constant and the other side #86 or #85 to ground-when-armed (-) from the alarm is a common mistake that kills batteries easy.

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thanks on the quick reply,i'm gonna go check the starter again but most likely is hooked up the way you just said,which way should it be wired and thanks again


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Ruben

so the way i set it up was following the instructions
#87a-from ig
#30 to starter
#86 to orange from alarm
#85 to 12v

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Ruben

As per standard the starter kill should be wired:

#85 Ground-when-Armed (-)
#86 Ignition (switched 12v, 12v when key is ON and START)
#87a Key side of starter wire
#30 Vehicle side of starter wire

If more than one device is connected to the ground-when-armed (-) of the alarm then every device should be diode isolated with the band towards the alarm.

catback wrote:

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As per standard the starter kill should be wired:

#85 Ground-when-Armed (-)
#86 Ignition (switched 12v, 12v when key is ON and START)
#87a Key side of starter wire
#30 Vehicle side of starter wire

If more than one device is connected to the ground-when-armed (-) of the alarm then every device should be diode isolated with the band towards the alarm.

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gonna redo it this way and redo the headlights and see what happens,thank you for your help and quick response

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Ruben

1995db7 wrote:

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catback wrote:

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As per standard the starter kill should be wired:

#85 Ground-when-Armed (-)
#86 Ignition (switched 12v, 12v when key is ON and START)
#87a Key side of starter wire
#30 Vehicle side of starter wire

If more than one device is connected to the ground-when-armed (-) of the alarm then every device should be diode isolated with the band towards the alarm.

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gonna redo it this way and redo the headlights and see what happens,thank you for your help and quick response

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Just to be clear, the headlight relay will have 12v (fused) constant running to #86 (#85 in your case) and #30. The starter kill is done differently because the ground-when-armed is active the entire time the alarm is armed.

And the dead battery would have been avoided if the OP had read my thread on this in the Hot Topics section.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

howie ll wrote:

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And the dead battery would have been avoided if the OP had read my thread on this in the Hot Topics section.

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Well your thread didn't come in the installation manual

But that's why I ask people to read the archives

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Just went to the shops, it's bloody well 97 out there, Mr. Viper told me it was 111 in the car and I still haven't sorted the AC in this POS I just bought.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

The archives don't come in the box with the instruction manuals

Hey at least your POS starts.

Yes until it warms up, then when stopped it stalls in either drive or neutral after about 10 seconds, also extremely sluggish on a light throttle load, OK on max power, fine on the motorway (interstate) awful in heavy traffic.
Think it was sold in N. America as the Infinity G20. The 5906 works well even with 2 start wires, 3 ignition wires.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

By the way hopefully they are finally going to sell an 856 Mhz version for Europe, all the "grey" 902-918 Mhz are naughty, frequencies "owned" for LTE.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

catback wrote:

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1995db7 wrote:

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catback wrote:

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As per standard the starter kill should be wired:

#85 Ground-when-Armed (-)
#86 Ignition (switched 12v, 12v when key is ON and START)
#87a Key side of starter wire
#30 Vehicle side of starter wire

If more than one device is connected to the ground-when-armed (-) of the alarm then every device should be diode isolated with the band towards the alarm.

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gonna redo it this way and redo the headlights and see what happens,thank you for your help and quick response

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Just to be clear, the headlight relay will have 12v (fused) constant running to #86 (#85 in your case) and #30. The starter kill is done differently because the ground-when-armed is active the entire time the alarm is armed.

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that's how i have it wired up,gotta wait for the weekend and let the car sit to see if everything is working properly and thanks again

howie ll wrote:

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But that's why I ask people to read the archives

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i apologize for this,i usually do but i did a quick site search and didn't come up with anything so figured i ask

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Ruben

Don't worry Rubens it's a perennial question, comes around every so often.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.