viper 5701 alarm/remote start, 99 legacy

First off would like to say how helpful posts in this forum has been!

I recently purchased a viper 5701 and am trying to install it into a 1999 subaru legacy.
I've wired all main wires in apart from door looks, When i plug the viper brain unit in nothing happens, the LED on the control module doesnt blink at all, just seems dead?

These are my connections

Main Harness, 6-pin connector
H1/1 Red (+) 12VDC Constant Input -> constant 12v
H1/2 Black (-) Chassis Ground -> grounded
H1/3 Brown (+) Siren Output -> red wire to siren
H1/4 WHITE/ Brown Parking light isolation wire -> Not Used
H1/5 White Parking light output -> Not done yet
H1/6 Orange (-) Ground when armed -> i just grounded this

Remote Start, (+) 10-pin heavy gauge connector @ Ignition Switch Harness
H3/1 Pink Ignition 1 Input/Output -> ign @ ignition harness
H3/2 RED / White Fused (30A) Ignition 2 / Flex relay input 87 -> 12v const
H3/3 Orange Accessory Output -> acc @ ignition harness
H3/4 Violet Starter Output (Car side of the starter kill) -> not done yet
H3/5 Green Starter Input (Key side of the starter kill) -> not done yet
H3/6 Red Fused (30A) Ignition 1 Input -> 12v const
H3/7 Pink/White Ignition 2 / Flex Relay Output -> not used
H3/8 Pink/Black Flex Relay Input 87A key side (if required) of Flex Relay ->not used
H3/9 RED / Black Fuse (30A) Accessory/Starter Input -> 12v const

Auxiliary/Shutdown/Trigger Harness, 24-pin connector
H2/1 Pink/White (-)200mA Ignition / Flex Relay control output -> Not used when doing remote start
H2/2 BLACK/ White (-) Neutral Safety Input -> neutral gearbox sensor
H2/3 Blue/White (-)200mA 2nd Status / Rear Defogger Output -> Not used
H2/4 GREEN/ Black (-)200mA OEM Alarm Disarm Output -> Not used
H2/5 RED / White (-)200mA Trunk Release Output -> Not used
H2/6 Green (-) Door Trigger Input -> dome door light
H2/7 BLACK / YELLOW (-)200mA Dome ligh supervision -> Not used
H2/8 BROWN / Black (-)200mA Horn Honk Output -> Not used
H2/9 Dark Blue (-)200mA Status Output -> Not used
H2/10 Pink (-)200mA Ignition 1 Output - > Not used when doing remote start
H2/11 WHITE/ Black (-)200mA AUX 3 Output -> Not Used
H2/12 Violet (+) Door Trigger input -> Not Used
H2/13 WHITE/ Violet Aux 1 Output -> Not Used
H2/14 Violet/Black Aux 2 Output -> Not Used
H/2/15 Orang/Black Aux 4 Output -> Not Used
H2/16 Brown (+) Brake Shutdown Input -> + @ Brake Switch Harness
H2/17 Grey (-) Hood Pin Input -> hood pin
H2/18 Violet / YELLOW (-)200mA Starter Output -> Not used when doing remote start
H2/19 Blue (-) Trunk Pin/ Instant trigger input -> Not used
H2/20 Grey/Black (-) Diesel Wait to start -> Not used
H2/21 WHITE/ Blue (-) Remote start/ Turbo timer activation input -> Not Used
H2/22 Orange (-) 200mA Accessory Output -> Not used when doing remote start
H2/23 Violet/White Tachometer input -> not done yet
H2/24 Green White (-) 200mA OEM Alarm Arm Output -> Not used

I double checked the power and ground going to h1/1 and h1/2 seed fine, am i missing something here? or is the unit defective? Thanks

Remove the ORANGE from ground.

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cool will give it a shot tomorrow morning and let you know!

disconnected orange cable, no luck. LED status light still not lighting.

Antenna and LED plugged in?

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Yes, the antenna and the led are one unit on the viper 5701. Its called the "control unit" in the manual. Does it sound like a faulty box?
I've removed the power harness and tested it theres a constant 12v going to it.

Have you tested voltage across H1 black and red?

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yes thats the one i was testing, i would assume at a a minimum that would be enough to to get the led to blink/brain to function.
The remotes that came with it haven't been factory paired so i need the control centre to work for pairing.

OK then it isn't working because you haven't paired the remotes.
Make sure H1/1 red and H2/6 green show 12V+ when you open a door.

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will try and get back, Thanks howie ll

Never yet had a failed 5X unit (5702 here but we import 5704/5906).
99% of problems are poor wiring/failed to read the (admittedly obtuse*) instructions.
*And deliberately obtuse because the unit is for professional installation, not amateurs; the assumption is that one isn't a 99%.
In your case you'll get no response until the remotes are paired up.
P.S. When I'm pairing remotes for an install, I do it at home the day before on my bench, far easier.

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Paired the remote and it started working! thanks for your help

Ive wired my Viper 5701 into my Subaru, everything is fine apart from remote start.

When i hit the button the car power turns on and off 3 times (I can see the dashboard light and fuel pump prime) But the starter does not click at all.

If i unplug the Ingnitition feed from the alarm and try remote start the starter turns over (but obviously can't run as it gets no fuel)

So both starter and ignition wires seem to be correct and work independently, just not together.

If i stall the car with the key still in and hit remote start it works... Any ideas?

Remote Start, (+) 10-pin heavy gauge connector

H3/1 Pink Ignition 1 Input/Output -> ign @ IGN From ign harness
H3/2 RED / White Fused (30A) Ignition 2 / Flex relay input 87 -> 12v From Battery
H3/3 Orange Accessory Output -> acc @ ACC from ignition harness
H3/4 Violet Starter Output (Car side of the starter kill) -> Starter From ign Harness
H3/5 Green Starter Input (Key side of the starter kill) -> Starter From ign Harness
H3/6 Red Fused (30A) Ignition 1 Input -> 12v From Battery
H3/7 Pink/White Ignition 2 / Flex Relay Output ->not using
H3/8 Pink/Black Flex Relay Input 87A key side (if required) of Flex Relay ->not using
H3/9 RED / Black Fuse (30A) Accessory/Starter Input -> 12v From Battery

Try running in Tach Mode.  Connect the Vipers' Tach Input wire to this wire at the coil pack :

Then program the Viper to Engine Checking = Tach and do the Tach Learn process.

Also connect your Parking Lights and see if the Viper is giving any Shut Down Diagnostic codes.

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And just so there is no confusion on the ignition wires...

H3/1 Pink Ignition 1 Input/Output      Red (+)    @ ignition switch, black 6 pin plug, pin 5    
H3/2 RED / White Fused (30A) not used
H3/3 Orange Accessory Output        RED / Yellow (+)       @ ignition switch, black 6 pin plug, pin 2
H3/4 Violet Starter Output (Car side)   Blue/Red (+)          @  ignition switch, black 6 pin plug, pin 4   
H3/5 Green Starter Input (Key side) Blue/Red (+)          @  ignition switch, black 6 pin plug, pin 4
H3/6 Red Fused (30A) Ignition 1 Input          BLACK / YELLOW (45A) (+)      @ ignition switch, black 6 pin plug, pin 1
H3/7 Pink/White Ignition 2    not used
H3/8 Pink/Black Flex Relay Input 87A not used
H3/9 RED / Black Fuse (30A) Acc/Starter        BLACK / YELLOW (45A) (+)     @ ignition switch, black 6 pin plug, pin 1

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i have it in tach mode taking signal from ecu and have programmed it.

Its quite odd that when you remove the ign1 and acc output lead the starter cranks over, but with them on it doesnt.

kreg357 wrote:

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And just so there is no confusion on the ignition wires...

H3/1 Pink Ignition 1 Input/Output   Red (+)  @ ignition switch, black 6 pin plug, pin 5    
H3/2 RED / White Fused (30A)         not used
H3/3 Orange Accessory Output     RED / Yellow (+)    @ ignition switch, black 6 pin plug, pin 2
H3/4 Violet Starter Output (Car side) Blue/Red (+)       @  ignition switch, black 6 pin plug, pin 4    
H3/5 Green Starter Input (Key side)  Blue/Red (+)       @  ignition switch, black 6 pin plug, pin 4
H3/6 Red Fused (30A) Ignition 1 Input          BLACK / YELLOW (45A) (+)      @ ignition switch, black 6 pin plug, pin 1
H3/7 Pink/White Ignition 2  not used
H3/8 Pink/Black Flex Relay Input 87A  not used
H3/9 RED / Black Fuse (30A) Acc/Starter        BLACK / YELLOW (45A) (+)     @ ignition switch, black 6 pin plug, pin 1

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Mines exactly like that apart from i have 12v going to :
H3/2 RED / White Fused (30A) Ignition 2 / Flex relay input 87

Could this be the issue? as i only have 1 ignition on my car.

No, not if you took red, RED / white and RED / black directly from the battery, hopefully fused by the battery.

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They are direct from battery and fused, I'm stumped,

I found another person having the exact sam issue here but it never got resolved in the forum.

Silly question is there any dealer or service support in Kiwi land, my daughter lives in Christchurch and when I go next year, I'm thinking of bringing her one to install in her car.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
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Guess you could change the wiring around a bit to see if the internal Starter1 relay is bad.  You would lose Starter Kill
and Anit-Grind but might get the remote start function working. 
1. Connect H3/2 RED / White to +12V, if it isn't already.
2. Disconnect H3/3 and H3/4 from vehicle starter wire.
3. Re-join the cut vehicle starter wire.
4. Connect H3/7 Pink/White to vehicle starter wire.
5. Program Viper for Flex Relay = Starter   ( Menu 3, Item 8, Option 3 )

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Just a thought, but not sure about NZ vehicles.  Here in the States ( Colonies to Howard ), we didn't see transponder based ignition immobilizer's in Subies until 2007 or so.  Any possibility that your vehicle has one?

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Wasn't thinking of that K. NZ gets Oz market cars or directly from Japan/ Oz cars would be heavily immobilised, Japanese not. Take your choice!! Daughter's VW of the same age as the Subie was a German build for the Japanese market, low mileage and costing secondhand about 10 times the UK equivalent definitely does have a transponder.

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howie ll wrote:

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Silly question is there any dealer or service support in Kiwi land, my daughter lives in Christchurch and when I go next year, I'm thinking of bringing her one to install in her car.

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Not that I know of, they only really do Mongoose alarms here.

So i'm almost there, got remote start working, the tach wire was reading the Cluster welcome voltage (my rpm needle goes up high and down when I turn the car on) removed that and it engages the starter fine.

My last and what seems to be the final problem!, When im driving and Stall the car, or even on 1st start after a few hourse I sometimes loose power to the entire car, eg dash lights go off door lights, everything.
The minute I pop the bonnet pin open I get power back to the vehicle, sometimes it holds power but if I shut the bonnet or even a car door it turns everything off again.

I stalled the car today on the road and had to get out in traffic and pop the bonnet open then close it then try start the car which killed power again and had to repeat that cycle.

It seems intermittent I cant reproduce it all the time.

Thanks for the tach photo on the previous page, got to be better than pulling the dashboard to get at it, especially when the one I'm doing on Monday has a POS carbon fibre applique.

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Subaru's always have a nice firewall grommet for any wires going into the engine compartment.     Much easier than pulling the interior apart.

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Actually 2! I'm using the right hand (driver side here and in NZ) for the siren, passenger side for the dealer fir hood (bonnet) switch.
I actually did this car on Wednesday but had nightmares "killing" the original dealer fit alarm passive lock and immobilise.
Then the brainwave! The Subies I did for a film crew, they were still in the studio in the back lot so I stripped one down to see what I'd done before.

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Got my b4 sussed, put diodes on all the input wires and everything works fine now! finished finally!

You lost me, b4?

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Oh Subaru B4 aka legacy/liberty.

And I spoke to soon, lost power again everywhere this morning everywhere when I remote started and forgot to put the key in.
When I proceeded to put the key in and start it back up again power went out (including to the alarm/dome light ), open the bonnet pin power comes back up... so weird!

Sounds like a grounding problem to me, check ground on alarm, voltage check across H1 red and black, continuity fro your grounding point to battery NEG also voltage across battery and POS terminal to engine block.

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