Integrate aftermarket push-button with Viper Smart Start

So I'm looking at installing the Viper Smart Start system in my 2010 RDX. I noticed Viper doesn't offer a push-button start option and was curious how easily I could integrate one. Has anyone had any experience doing this? My hope was that I could somehow leverage the PKE part of the system to also control whether the push button start would work (rather than having a separate RFID fob that was used independently).

Am I just asking too much, or is there potentially some way I could accomplish this?

Oops, not sure if my title was truncated or if I actually forgot that last "t" but most of you probably figured out what I meant.

do you already have an aftermarket push to start kit in the vehicle ? and want to add a remote start?


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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

No, nothing currently in the car. Ideally I would like to add both.

https://www.advancedkeys.com/Prod_AK105B.html

these are reliable.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Either Compustar or DEI product will work fine with the advanced keys product.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Unless I misunderstood something, the above mentioned solutions would still require an additional RFID fob for the push-button start. If possible, my goal is to eliminate the need for a fob entirely, relying only on having an authenticated smartphone for day-to-day usage.

I only mention the Viper/Directed/etc. SmartStart/SmartKey system because it gets me 85% of the way there, where the only thing missing is the push-button start component. If another system exists (or could be pieced together with a few different products), I'm open to that as well.

... can't edit yet and I forgot to thank you guys for the info so far. So... thanks! :-D

You'll need a "proximity" key with any of the above.
Having lived with a PTS* car for the last few months plus an add on modified 5X06 Viper I just hope to have a key car without the factory proximity (RFI) next time thank you.
Personally I can't see the point of SmartStart, Drone etc. just added cost and complexity.
*UK PTS Fords, no ACC, I've had to run a latching relay off the lock/unlock wires just so I don't need ignition on to keep my Bluetooth kit working.
PS For Ted's interest current BMW, the ACC comes on with door unlock.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

I presume the main benefit is the elimination of the need for any kind of key fob. At least that's the only reason I'm really interested (I'd use the bluetooth module sans subscription). Most of the other features are great party tricks, but don't strike me as very useful on a daily basis unless you run a fleet operation. I mean, sure, unlocking your car for your wife in NY while you're in SF is great, but that's a pretty unlikely edge case hardly worth a subscription fee plus what? $500+ installed?

Honestly I just want to be able to walk up to my car and drive away with only my phone in my pocket. The simplicity of that is jus so elegant and painless (assuming it works).

In your case, there is no easy way about turning a KEYED vehicle, into a PTS without adding any security features. Just not going to happen. The RDID is the size of a credit card, which you'd probably keep in your wallet anyways.

You're retrofitting new tech into older tech. To break it down for you...the advanced keys gets you your PTS but you must carry the RFID card with you. Obviously this is for security reasons. This has a remote start built in so you won't need an extra part. To get phone control, then you have to purchase either the SmartStart or Drone.

I get the idea of walk to the vehicle, and driving away is "elegant," but think of the drawbacks. You forget your phone, your phone runs out of battery - how do you start it then? you loose the phone-then you're really in trouble. The point is, the system you have in mind relies on a battery operated source; which is only good as long as its powered. This is where RFID comes in, Simply RF = no power required. The rfid tag simply replaces your key, and eliminates turning of a key. Guess you never really thought of the drawbacks. In short, the smartphone get-in-and-drive-away idea will never happen. To get as close to your ideal system is the
advanced keys + standalone smart start/drone to trigger the advanced keys to start.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Or the story of my friend driving 20 miles to work for his wife to phone him with a "drive straight home and don't turn the engine off, you left your prox key in the garage".

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

I agree that relying on a battery powered device for access to your vehicle -exclusively- is not a good idea. But I'm also not opposed to having a low-tech/passive solution as a backup.

It's something we call graceful degredation in software development. Adding new conveniences doesn't have to be an either/or decision. It just needs to be designed in such a way that when an advanced feature fails, it gracefully falls back to a more basic equivalent.

At any rate, it sounds like the out-of-the-box solutions just aren't there yet (though the AdvancedKeys forums show they are investigating smartphone integration. I was hoping I could take what's already out there and piece something together, but it sounds like I'm going to have to compromise on some aspect. It also sounds like it wouldn't be worth the extra time and customization required to go the DIY route, at least for the moment.

*degradation

Bah, need to get better at proofreading for my next 42 posts...

Yes but I personally wonder how far software development is going especially on cars, does the future mechanic have to read and write codes?
Roger Wilco and out Squadron Leader.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

LOL. We definitely need a LIKE button.... (... drive straight home...)

Graceful degredation (me too!) degradation is what I call redundancy or fallback (whether hardware or software - who cares?).
All too often I find instead the classic undocumented features (does that still mean a bug?) else design flaw and few have manual bypass facilities. Many know my view on post-2000 vehicles in particular and vehicles where automated functions cannot be deactivated (ABS, stability controls, auto-wipers or lighting etc).

IMO today's fault finding mechanic is called an Automotive Electrician. Mechanics merely service vehicles or respond iac diagnostic readouts.
Tho some mechanics are good, based on what they often say I'd hate to see them write code... If an OEM can release a runaway car, imagine what a hacker could do? (IE - unstoppable cars - all you can do is steer the vehicle until it runs out of fuel or something stops you.)