focus 2009 & ADS TB
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Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: focus 2009 & ADS TB
Posted By: zulu125
Subject: focus 2009 & ADS TB
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 7:22 AM
I have a Ford Focus 2009 automatic with a AutoStart AS-1780 and a ADS TB module installed. The remote starter was working correctly until we changed the car battery. Now it needs that key key be in the ignition switch to remotly start.
I tried to reset the ADS TB module but it doesn't reset. The LED is always flashing RED.
The part number of the ADS module is TB16K1.33
Can you help me with this?
Regards
Zulu125
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Posted By: ziggyb222
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 1:46 PM
How did you reset the module??
Posted By: zulu125
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 1:56 PM
I followed the instruction at the last page of the manual:
Disconnect all the connectors except the black one(d2d)
Then disconnect the d2d
Then reconnect this cable while holding the reset button.
The LED was blinking red at a rate of 1 second on 1 second off
It didn't change, it does exactly the same
Posted By: zulu125
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 1:58 PM
The blinking rate was exactly the same before and after
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 2:05 PM
when you disconnect the battery, all you have to do is start the car one time and its ready to be used. Since you decided to reset it, you might have brought a world of problems upon yourself.
First things first. Do you have 2 master keys for the vehicle?
To reset, pull the black 4pin cable. Press and hold the programming button as you place the 4pin connector back in. The second it shows a red flash on the led let go of the programming button. Wait until the led is solid red. At this point it will flash green 1 time every second.
Look at the autostart and find a 4pin red connector. If its used the installer used DBI then 1 flash on the idatalink is good. If you don't see any red connector occupied, press the programming button on the idatalink 1 time. It will now flash 2x every second. Press and hold that button to set the final mode, and proceed to key programming. Follow it to a T.
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Posted By: zulu125
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 2:17 PM
Thank you tedmond, I have the two keys.
I did what yoy suggested, but the LED is still blinking, I redid it 3 times with the same result.
You wrote to verify it there is a wire in the red connector of the autostart module, but this port is for connecting a XpressKit module, isn't it?
Regards
Daniel
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 2:35 PM
the red port is for any bypass that will accept a d2d connection, which the idatalink is capable of.
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Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 2:35 PM
The flash means you have incorrectly set the wiring mode for it. Either d2d or w2w
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Posted By: zulu125
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 2:37 PM
Tedmond,
I forgot to mention that the car was started many times after the battery was changed, I tried to reset the ADS module two months later.
Could it be a problem with the module?
The manual says that this type of blinking means bad programming or connection.
What do you think?
Thanks Daniel
Posted By: zulu125
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 2:41 PM
tedmond wrote:
the red port is for any bypass that will accept a d2d connection, which the idatalink is capable of.
Since it has the same number of pin, should I try to connect the black wire(the one that is connected to the ADS) into it?
Thanks
Daniel
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 2:45 PM
No, what I was simply saying is to visually check. Since the red plug is not occupied, it has been hardwired.
Are you sure you are resetting it correctly? Its really straight forward. unplug everything, Press and HOLD programming button as you connect the 4pin black connector. As it starts to flash red, let go of the programming button.
once it flashes green 1x, press the programming button once. It will now flash 2x rapidly. Press and hold programming button again to allow programming.
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Posted By: zulu125
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 2:55 PM
tedmond wrote:
No, what I was simply saying is to visually check. Since the red plug is not occupied, it has been hardwired.
Are you sure you are resetting it correctly? Its really straight forward. unplug everything, Press and HOLD programming button as you connect the 4pin black connector. As it starts to flash red, let go of the programming button.
once it flashes green 1x, press the programming button once. It will now flash 2x rapidly. Press and hold programming button again to allow programming.
I have tried the reset many times with the same result. As you wrote, it is really straight forward, I cannot see what I could do wrong!
I really appreciate your comments and help, do you think the ADS could be defective.
I have to tell you that we bought the car a week ago and it was the previous owner who changed the battery. He said that the remote starter was working before! I checked all the wires, connections of both the autostsrt and the ADS and they are all like it written in the manuals.
I am ready to change the ADS module, but want to be sure that it is the problem before.
Thanks Daniel
Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 3:27 PM
So did the remote start work when you first bought the car? Or did it only remote start with a key in the ignition. Your 1st post is different than your last.
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Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 7:08 PM
If you cannot even reset the module, the firmware is either corrupt or its a bad bypass module. Bring it to a local shop and see if they will check what firmware is on it, if there is one-If not simply pay and reflash it.
x2 with smokeman, your story isn't very consistent in turn makes it hard for us to diagnose
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Posted By: zulu125
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 9:03 PM
I wanted to make it simple when I started the post, not giving information that was not required.
So if you want the complete story, here it is: We bought the car that was bought by a person in october who had a remote starter installed by a car dealer. That person died in November. Her son in law changed the battery during the winter and sold the car to me one week ago, saying that the remote was not working since he changed the battery.
I checked all the wiring and the module. When I saw the LED flashing on the ADS module, I checked the ADS manual which was saying that the module was either not connected properly or incorrectly programmed, I decided to reset it as explained in the manual.
So here I am, asking if someone can give me a hint, to fix the problem.
Anyway, thanks for those who tried to help me
Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 9:20 PM
So I take it that it did not remote start when you bought it and it is not known if it does work.
If you insert a key into the ignition, don't turn the key, try to remote start the car. Does it remote start with a key in the ignition switch?
If it does then, then at least you know the remote starter part works and it may be a bypass issue only.
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Posted By: zulu125
Date Posted: March 29, 2015 at 9:56 PM
smokeman1 wrote:
So I take it that it did not remote start when you bought it and it is not known if it does work.
If you insert a key into the ignition, don't turn the key, try to remote start the car. Does it remote start with a key in the ignition switch?
If it does then, then at least you know the remote starter part works and it may be a bypass issue only.
Yes it does start with the remote when the key is in the ignition, without turning it. That is why I am questionning the ADS module. The key sign in the dash is flashing when I try to remotly start the car without any key in the ignition, which is another indication that the ADS is not doing his job.
My concern is that I cannot reset the module doing what it is said in the instructions and the info that tedmond gave me. Is there a way to be 100% sure that the ADS is good or bad?
Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: March 30, 2015 at 5:59 AM
If you have tried the steps to reset the ADS correctly and you are sure that the wiring for the ADS is correct and not damaged, and it still will not reset, then the next step it to replace/reflash the module.
Not doubting you, but step 3 on the reset is key.
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Posted By: zulu125
Date Posted: March 30, 2015 at 7:32 AM
smokeman1 wrote:
If you have tried the steps to reset the ADS correctly and you are sure that the wiring for the ADS is correct and not damaged, and it still will not reset, then the next step it to replace/reflash the module.
Not doubting you, but step 3 on the reset is key.
You mean holding the reset button while reconnecting the d2d wire, then release it when the LED starts blinking?
The LED ON the module is continously blinking at the same rate, 1 second on and 1 second off and never comes green.
As you said, I should replace it or flash it. I will look to find a cable to do it.
Thanks
Daniel
Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: March 30, 2015 at 9:23 AM
I just benched tested a ADS module.
Press and hold the programming button, then plug in the black 4 pin connector.
Continue to hold the program button for about 3-5 seconds. the LED should flash rapidly RED, then release the button.
It should stay RED for about three seconds, then go out, then in about 2-3 seconds start blinking Green.
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Posted By: zulu125
Date Posted: March 30, 2015 at 9:48 AM
smokeman1 wrote:
I just benched tested a ADS module.
Press and hold the programming button, then plug in the black 4 pin connector.
Continue to hold the program button for about 3-5 seconds. the LED should flash rapidly RED, then release the button.
It should stay RED for about three seconds, then go out, then in about 2-3 seconds start blinking Green.
Thank you for doing that!
I will try it tonight, even if I did it before. With this new information I have a better idea of what is expected. If the module is not flashed, will it do the same when we try to reset it or will it do what mine is doing?(Blink once every second continously)
Regards
Daniel
Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: March 30, 2015 at 10:08 AM
The module I used was new out of the box, not flashed with anything.
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Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 30, 2015 at 10:46 AM
I have yet to see a module loose it's flash entirely. A brand new bypass typically comes loaded with a ch4 firmware from the factory. Technically no modules leave the manufacture blank, as they test it by flashing It with some firmware.
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Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: March 30, 2015 at 11:23 AM
You are correct Ted.
I guess what I was trying to say is that I had not flashed it with anything, as it was straight out of the box and what and when the LED flashes. Thanks for clarifying. My goof.
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Posted By: zulu125
Date Posted: March 30, 2015 at 4:35 PM
Hi,
I did a reset again and the result is the same.
I conclude that the module is defective, I will replace it.
Thank you Tedmond and Smokeman1 for your support for degugging it.
Regards
Daniel
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 30, 2015 at 5:05 PM
the only other thing i can think of, if there is a constant ground on the blue wire of the 4 pin connector, you wont be able to reset it. Use a small knife or pick-depin the wire and try another reset.
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Posted By: zulu125
Date Posted: March 30, 2015 at 5:36 PM
tedmond wrote:
the only other thing i can think of, if there is a constant ground on the blue wire of the 4 pin connector, you wont be able to reset it. Use a small knife or pick-depin the wire and try another reset.
I will try it and let you know.
Thank you (again)
Daniel
Posted By: zulu125
Date Posted: March 30, 2015 at 5:42 PM
It did exactly the same, no luck!
Daniel
Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: March 30, 2015 at 7:58 PM
Just want to be sure, ALL other connections/connectors are NOT connected when you are doing the reset procedure. Correct
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Posted By: zulu125
Date Posted: March 30, 2015 at 9:07 PM
smokeman1 wrote:
Just want to be sure, ALL other connections/connectors are NOT connected when you are doing the reset procedure. Correct
Yes everything was disconnected. I tried it three more times without success.
I wasted enough time with it, it is going to go in the trash can!
Thanks
Daniel
Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: March 30, 2015 at 9:09 PM
Bummer
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Posted By: zulu125
Date Posted: April 16, 2015 at 4:18 PM
Hello everybody,
I would like to say thank you to smokeman1 for his help to resolve this issue. I was going to throw the module in the garbage can, when smokeman1 PM to try to help me again. Nothing work, so I decided to send the module to him, as a gift, to give him the chance to see what was the problem and, may be being able to help others in the future with what he could have learn with this.
Well, he found what was the problem, with the help of tedmond(thanks to you too), and then return the module to me without any charges, not even the posting fees. Instead he suggested to donate to this forum.
This kind of person is fantastic, ready to help without being paid, prefering that the money goes to the forum to help it survive and be able to help others.
I'm sure that a lot of members will join me to thank you smokeman1
Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: April 18, 2015 at 4:16 PM
Glad it worked out. 
A big Thanks to Tedmond for help with the flashing the correct firmware. I never did a IdataLink product before. ------------- When all else fails, Read the Instructions
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