Viper 5706v Failsafe Starter kill
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=138779
Printed Date: April 27, 2024 at 12:36 AM
Topic: Viper 5706v Failsafe Starter kill
Posted By: kreyzie
Subject: Viper 5706v Failsafe Starter kill
Date Posted: April 07, 2015 at 3:58 AM
Im not sure if i need a relay for this to work or it has one built into the viper brain. With the system armed , i can just crank my car and start driving it with the siren triggered... am i missing something ?
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Posted By: kreyzie
Date Posted: April 07, 2015 at 4:03 AM
my alarm is viper 5706v. remote start with pkall , dei 508d , arm disarm..everything works fine. and yes i did cut off the starter wire and wired it to the individual wire to the brain.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 07, 2015 at 6:22 AM
Cut starter wire H3 green to key side, H3 violet (purple) to starter side.
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Posted By: kreyzie
Date Posted: April 07, 2015 at 9:52 AM
did that already or the remote start wont work and failsafe is not working. im still able to crank my car with alarm armed.
Posted By: pentavolvo
Date Posted: April 11, 2015 at 10:18 AM
Year make and model of car
Posted By: kreyzie
Date Posted: April 17, 2015 at 4:26 AM
Honda Fit 2006 JDM
BTW ive put in 2 relays to make failsafe work. 1 is to kill the starter with GWA and 1 is to kill GWA with GWR when doing remote start.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 19, 2015 at 6:18 AM
Disconnect the H3 violet and green from the vehicle, using your DMM test continuity.
Should read less than 1 ohm.
Now turn on the ignition, should read open circuit.
If still continuity then the unit (internal relay) is faulty.
If it does read open circuit, you've made an error.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 19, 2015 at 6:37 AM
You only need one relay:-
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The above is a work around if the internal relay is faulty. ------------- Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 19, 2015 at 6:39 AM
Also make sure orange at H1 DOES go to ground when unit is armed.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: kreyzie
Date Posted: April 22, 2015 at 10:19 PM
i dont really get your relay diagram.. when the relay is trigger (alarm armed) , why is the starter is connected to the ignition/12v constant ?
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 23, 2015 at 1:38 AM
You're reading it wrong or lack of understanding.
Relay will only trigger if alarm is on an there's an attempt to hot wire the ignition.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: kreyzie
Date Posted: April 23, 2015 at 8:35 PM
I guess you dont really understand what my question is. I am asking why 30 is connected to 87 (12v) when the alarm is triggered. Because i need to know why is starter connected to a constant 12v when the relay is triggered .. what is the function of connecting the starter to a 12v when the relay is triggered.
Posted By: kreyzie
Date Posted: April 23, 2015 at 8:40 PM
can i just leave the relay pin 87 empty ? i get that if the alarm is armed and when the ignition is turn on , the relay trigger and will cut off the connection of the starter from the key side.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 24, 2015 at 3:49 AM
Its simply a work around because your alarm appears to work when the engine is running.
That apart, you're correct but join your violet H3 also to 30 and as you say don't connect 87 to anything.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: kreyzie
Date Posted: June 18, 2015 at 10:47 PM
howie , the diagram will not work. Here is why
Starter motor key side is connected to brain green wire.
Starter motor side is connected to violet wire.
If i dont connect the keyside to the brain , engine wont start by remote start.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 19, 2015 at 2:28 AM
It will if you follow the diagram and connect power to 87.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 19, 2015 at 2:31 AM
You know you're right.
I tried to combine security with start forget the last few comments.
Did you try to test continuity between green and violet (purple) on H3 when alarm is either on or off?
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: kreyzie
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 3:25 AM
yeah i did... i just dont understand such good brand sent me a faulty unit... i also did a test n found out that whenever i did a remote stary , yhe brain doesnt draw power from h3 green. so is pointless to connect the key side of starter to h3 green. i will cut it off and wire it to external relay for fail safe.
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