09 Altima Remote start/alarm
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: 09 Altima Remote start/alarm
Posted By: lee buxbaum
Subject: 09 Altima Remote start/alarm
Date Posted: April 15, 2015 at 10:51 AM
Hey everyone,
I am in need of some help if you guys can. I am installing a 5904 Viper with a DBALL into my 2009 Nissan Altima coupe with smartkey. I have the units pre-wired according to the DBALL diagram. I need to know what wires on the 5904 still need to be hooked up. I also need a wiring diagram for the car, I can't find the one i had. I'm not a rookie, I have 22+ years installing and running stores, but I've been out of the game for 6 years and I admit I am a little rusty when it comes to this push to start integration. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Lee Buxbaum
Electronics Technician
Stanley Black & Decker
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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 15, 2015 at 11:05 AM
If you download the DB-ALL instructions (Xpresskit) that will tell you all you need to know, gives you locations, colours etc.
The diagrams show you the R/S unit and what needs to be connected.
4 on the R/S with possibly two others, see diagram one.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: lee buxbaum
Date Posted: April 15, 2015 at 11:15 AM
I prewired the units according to the DB-All diagram #1. So there are only siren, parking light output, 12v and ground that need to be connected from the 5904 to function properly aside from what is on the DB-ALL diagram? That would be amazing. I do not have to hook up the heavy gauge starter/ignition/accessory wires? Except for Starter1 (+) output to the (+) brake wire. I am going to hook up the additional AUX outputs to stuff, so i know they will get used.
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Lee Buxbaum
Electronics Technician
Stanley Black & Decker
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 15, 2015 at 11:24 AM
Absolutely correct and you can use a wire gauge for the ignition that's the same as the two wires it's connected to on the DB-ALL.
I looked at type 1 auto transmission install, couldn't see a starter wire anywhere, all handled by DB-ALL2 talking to the CAN network.
Sorry if I can't be thorough, never seen that vehicle in Europe, we have the Rogue alias Quashqai (daft name, I call them Cash Cows because there are so many of them sold here) and the Juke.
They relaunch Infinity every 5 years or so but they never sold, Audi BMW Mercedes and Lexus cleared the Maxi, Camry and Legend off the Euro market.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 15, 2015 at 11:27 AM
1) Note: As far as I can see, yes to Siren, no to starter and parking lights, both work through the CAN connection at the OBD using you're doing this D2D.
2) Note: if anything fails to work through the DB-ALL2, just hardwire.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: lee buxbaum
Date Posted: April 15, 2015 at 11:35 AM
Amazing. Thank you for your time and knowledge. Pretty neat to be chatting with someone across the pond. Have a fantastic day. I'll check back in if I have any other questions. Thanks again
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Lee Buxbaum
Electronics Technician
Stanley Black & Decker
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 15, 2015 at 11:47 AM
 one mistake, Note 1) CAN connection at the OBD assuming your doing this D2D rather than W2W.
D2D just use the solid wires, W2W solid and broken wires as per diagram. ------------- Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: lee buxbaum
Date Posted: April 15, 2015 at 12:06 PM
doing D2D.
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Lee Buxbaum
Electronics Technician
Stanley Black & Decker
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 15, 2015 at 12:12 PM
No starter or parking light connection required, look at diagram one if it's an automatic.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: lee buxbaum
Date Posted: April 15, 2015 at 12:14 PM
the starter wire gets connected to the (+) brake wire, so the RED / Black wire (fused 30amps) needs to get power as well. That should be it. I cant believe how many wires do not get used. Can Bus is awesome.
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Lee Buxbaum
Electronics Technician
Stanley Black & Decker
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 15, 2015 at 12:19 PM
Yes. When it works, still can't see where you need the starter wire, what diagram are you using?
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 15, 2015 at 12:24 PM
Sorry for get my last post, you're quite right, just had a power failure and I was switching between PC and iPad.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: lee buxbaum
Date Posted: April 19, 2015 at 3:34 PM
I wired it all up today in the car, but the dball wont program. I did a reset, not the hard reset, and it goes solid red and won't change or recognize the factory unlock button press. Do I need to have the alarms lock/unlock wires hooked up? I didn't understand the directions for the dball on that.
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Lee Buxbaum
Electronics Technician
Stanley Black & Decker
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 19, 2015 at 5:57 PM
Either:-
1) Incorrectly flashed.
2) You didn't wait long enough.
3) Wired wrong.
Get the module LED to go green for 3 seconds, then recheck the locking system, if after everything else checks out it doesn't lock then hard wire the locks.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: lee buxbaum
Date Posted: April 19, 2015 at 6:34 PM
I'll take it to my friends shop and have them reflash it. And I'll hardwire the locks after that. Thanks for your help. I'm really feeling like noob.
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Lee Buxbaum
Electronics Technician
Stanley Black & Decker
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 19, 2015 at 6:41 PM
Don't worry, you've done OK so far, we've all been there.
I never mentioned the locks because I also found those instructions confusing.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: lee buxbaum
Date Posted: April 21, 2015 at 6:08 AM
i decided to hook up lock/unlock wires last night. They now work with the viper remote but the DBALL still doesn't go into programming mode. And i may have found out why. I located the original installation instructions that came with my DBALL. It shows firmware NISS03, and it is completely different wiring than the NISS3HT firmware installation instructions. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. I am going to try and program it by the original directions. I hope i dont have to re-wire too much in the car. But the DBALL has been sitting for a long time unpowered, so it may need to be reflashed.
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Lee Buxbaum
Electronics Technician
Stanley Black & Decker
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 21, 2015 at 6:23 AM
Diagram I referred you to IS NISS3HT
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: lee buxbaum
Date Posted: April 21, 2015 at 10:42 AM
im going to have the unit re flashed for the NISS3HT. Emailed tech support at directed and they said i could do that. Hopefully that will finally allow this thing to work right. Thanks again for your help
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Lee Buxbaum
Electronics Technician
Stanley Black & Decker
Posted By: lee buxbaum
Date Posted: April 24, 2015 at 6:47 AM
I was able to get the DBALL reflashed and it worked first time ! I do have a few 'issues' with the operation of the combination bypass-remote start though.
1-parking lights do not flash on arm-disarm, but come on during remote start. I assume the light flash output from the alarm/rs need to be hooked up for that to work.
2- I still have to carry the factory fob to do 'take over' or the car stops running. I do not like this particular feature.
3-I havent tested all the features yet, butI'm sure some more things will present themselves.
Overall I love the DBALL now that it is flashed correctly. Once again, thanks for all your help
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Lee Buxbaum
Electronics Technician
Stanley Black & Decker
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 24, 2015 at 6:54 AM
Check the last few pages of the install guide, there might be SOME DB-ALL 2 programming mods, or hardwire the lights.
I can't see any way around carrying the fob, that makes two of us!
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: lee buxbaum
Date Posted: April 24, 2015 at 8:14 AM
I have to check and see if there is a starter or shutdown feature incorporated into the dball. If so, i will just leave a key fob in the car somewhere to act as a workaround. Since the alarm will always be on even when the car is running. I could always use the siren or horn output to trigger a latching relay to interrupt the clock or data wires from the key port connector,(or the neutral safety wire) so if someone breaks into the car, the car will not remain running. If there is no starter incorporated in the dball, i will use a relay to only power up the factory fob when the ground-when-armed wire is off and the ground from the seat belt connected wire is grounded. That way you have to disarm the car, get in the car, attach your seat belt, then you can do take over. Not many car thieves would think to put on their seat belt before attempting to drive off. Off to design a circuit. I'll let you know how it works and what actually works.
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Lee Buxbaum
Electronics Technician
Stanley Black & Decker
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 24, 2015 at 10:23 AM
Good thinking reference the last line.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: lee buxbaum
Date Posted: April 24, 2015 at 10:31 AM
i used a micro relay, a button battery holder, and the factory key fob. Going out at lunch to locate the seat belt wire and test it out.  ------------- Lee Buxbaum
Electronics Technician
Stanley Black & Decker
Posted By: lee buxbaum
Date Posted: April 24, 2015 at 10:32 AM
unless the seatbelt is fastened, the circuit isnt operable.
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Lee Buxbaum
Electronics Technician
Stanley Black & Decker
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: April 24, 2015 at 10:34 AM
Just occurred to me, for heaven's sake use a DMM when you test that seat belt, the wiring might be data!
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: lee buxbaum
Date Posted: April 24, 2015 at 10:39 AM
i looked up the wiring online. It's a grounding switch input to the cluster, but yeah my fluke meter is all i use.
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Lee Buxbaum
Electronics Technician
Stanley Black & Decker
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