Viper’s main harness

Hi,

I am installing a Viper 5704 on My Toyota FJ Cruiser. I have 2 starter wires and 2 Ignition wires. I believe the best way to go about wiring the second starter wires and ignition wires are with 2 additional relays. Could someone verify this please?

Also, I believe that I need to cut the starter wires, and connect them to Starter input and Output as shown in the picture.

Could someone verify this as well please?

Thank you very much in advance for your response.

The vehicle is a 2014 FJ Cruiser with manual transmission btw. I believe the starting harness are very close if not the same in all the years.

The easy way to do it is as follows :
Use the Viper Pink for FJ Cruiser Ignition1.
Use the Viper Pink/White for FJ Cruiser Ignition2. Default Viper programmimg = IGN2
Use the Viper Purple and Green Starter wires to the cut FJ Cruiser Starter1. Observe key and vehicle side directions.
Use the Viper Orange for ACC1.

Use the Viper (-) 200mA Starter Output wire for the extra 30/40 Amp SPDT relay. Wire as follows :
Relay Pin 85 to Viper (-) 200mA Starter Output
Relay Pins 86 and 87 to +12V constant through suitable fuse
Relay Pin 30 to FJ Cruiser Starter2 ( no cut )

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Thank you very much. Just out of curiosity, does it matter if I cut starter 2 instead of 1?

Think I would cut the Starter1 wire. Not sure exactly what the Starter2 is for. You could try it and see if
the engine cranks and grinds the starter motor during a anti-grind situation ( R/S running the engine ). The
Viper does this for Starter Kill and Anti-Grind and Starter1 should be enough for that purpose.

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Cheers!

Should still crank on a warm day if you cut starter two I think, it's either for a boost fuel pump or extra current to the starter on cold days.
For safety sake place a 1N4004 diode across pins 85 and 86 of the relay, band to 86. Relay shutdown spikes have been known to fry the Viper low current board (H2, 24 pin plug), the diode quenches the spike.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Thank you Howie. I originally wanted to use two relays that I had lying around and so I think I'll go with them instead of using the internal relay and needing to put that Diode.

On another note, for this remote start to work, what wires do I have to connect/ what pins should I use?

I have attached the wires that I have so far, beside the main 10 wire harness that I already figured out.

1-How do I get the hand break signal to remote? I believe I need this for the manual transmission mode to work.

2-For the purpose of door trigger, since the vehicle has two doors and two different signals, which one / how do I connect H2/12 to these?

3-Any other wires beside the marked ones that I need to connect to the system?

Thanks

Here is the picture of what I have btw.

You're still going to need diodes plus you're now making things more complicated.
And stop using UK English, colonialism like Kreg don't understand hand brake.
As for your other questions, you need to diode join the door triggers to the unit.
Go to switch at Base of hand brake, join to BLACK/ white to H2.
Frankly if you have to ask these questions you're either not reading or understanding the instructions and you should take it to a pro.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Thank you! I have been busy with life and now I want to continue with the remote start.

The remote open and closes doors, light the parking lights, make alarm if the doors are locked but the vehicle doesn't starts.

The problem is that the remote start does not work. I get 7 flashes, as error status. I.e. manual transmission mode error. I know that to start in the manual mode, the vehicle should be started with they key in ignition, e brake should be engaged, then press the remote start button, shut down the vehicle, exist (door trigger is activated), and then it can be remotely started. The trouble is when I start the vehicle with its key, and press the remote start, I get a remote start error on the LCD but no flashing lights. I am not sure what's causing this problem. Any insight?

Just an update, I have turned the mode from manual transmission to automatic, held the clutch and attempt to remote start the vehicle. The starter cranks and attempts to start the vehicle but it won't run. Any idea as where to go from here?

Bypass module? Any "Security" type light on the instrument cluster during the attempt?
Try a R/S with the key head held next to the ignition switch.

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Security lights as parking lights? No. If I have the key in ON position, the remote start works. At this time, the module, flashes orange and red 3 times and then flashes green.

So the remote start works if the key is either in or right beside the ignition. Any idea as how to proceed?

Just an update, a hard reset on the dball and it now starts the vehicle with clutch depressed (i.e. automatic mode). Now I have to make it work for the manual transmission mode!

So the no start problem was due to the DB-ALL2 w/TL4 firmware not completely programmed and bypassing the G chip
transponder system. ( I'm guessing on the DB-ALL2 because you really haven't supplied us all that necessary info. )
A hard reset on the DB-ALL2 fixed that problem. That's good, one down and one to go.

For proper safe operation, you must be in Manual Transmission Mode. MT mode needs several things setup and working
properly to function, as follows :
1. The Viper must have the Neutral Safety Input connected to the FJ's Parking Brake.
2. The Viper must monitor all the door and trunk triggers.
3. The FJ's clutch interlock switch must be bypassed during the remote start operation.
4. You must set the Viper to run in Tach Mode and do a successful Tach Learn.

Numbers 1,2 and 4 should be handled by the D2D connection between the Viper and the DB-ALL2. The DB-ALL2 obtains
these signals from the FJ and passes them along to the Viper. If you are not going D2D, these DB-ALL2 output
signals must be hard wired between the modules. ( Again on the guessing part. )

The last piece of the install is the clutch bypass. As mentioned above, this should only happen during a remote
start, so that the FJ and it's safety features are intact and operate normally at all other times. Here is the
info from Omega :
Clutch Pedal     VIOLET/RED (+)     @ CLUTCH PEDAL SWITCH 2 PIN CONN, PIN 2

Using the Viper, you must get a (+) signal to the above wire during a remote start. Here is one good way to do it.
Obtain a 30/40 Amp SPDT relay w/harness and a inline fuse holder with 3 amp fuse. Using a DMM verify that the wire
listed above gets +12V when the clutch pedal is depressed all the way to the floor. Wire the relay as follows :
Relay Pin 85 to Viper (-) 200mA Status Output ( still guessing D2D mode and this wire is not used for the DB-ALL2 )
Relay Pin 86 and 87 to +12V through the fuse
Relay Pin 30 to VIOLET/RED (+)     @ CLUTCH PEDAL SWITCH 2 PIN CONN, PIN 2

Switch the Viper back to MTS mode, verify TACH Mode and Tach Learn. Go through the Reservation Mode entry procedure
and try a remote start. You can stay seated in the FJ to watch / listen to the startup.

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Thanks a bunch for your detail reply. I have done 1,2, and 4. But in regards to option 3, what's a difference if I bypass the relay in automatic mode or manual mode?

The e brake would be still my neutral switch and the clutch will be bypassed anyway. No? I appreciate your insight!

I understand that I need to do the following for the manual transmission mode to work:
1. connect the e-brake to neutral safety switch.
2. connect the brake safety shut down.
3. By-pass the clutch with relay. (testing using foot on the clutch atm).
4. Connect and learn the tach.

However, the remote start won't work when the vehicle is on and running. I get a remote error. I understand that it is necessary to have the vehicle running while the vehicle is on and ebrake is engaged, then press the remote start, open and close the driver door, shut down the vehicle with remote start, and now it can be started in manual mode. Correct?

So why doesn't my remote start, gets an error when I turn the vehicle on in manual transmission mode but it can turn on when car is running in automatic mode? Any insight is appreciated.

I'm gonna go pick up a relay to bypass the clutch.

The Vipers' Reservation Mode entry procedure is to allow the Viper to verify that the engine is running when the
last door is closed. At this point the Viper is able to safely verify that the engine is running, assume no one is
in the vehicle, the clutch pedal is up and the transmission is in Neutral. Next the Viper locks all the doors and
monitors them. If any door is opened, Reservation Mode is cancelled. This is because it is possible that someone
entered the vehicle and moved the shifter into gear. The Viper has no way of knowing if the shifter is still in
neutral. Remember that you are bypassing the clutch pedal interlock and starting the engine. If the transmission
was in gear, the vehicle will move even with the Parking Brake engaged. Check out YouTube for videos of car's
being remote started and going into stores, through garage doors, down the street or into ponds. And of course
the worst case scenario, running over a child playing in the driveway. The liability is tremendous so you don't
want to run in Automatic Trans mode because "you always leave the shifter in neutral".....

Of course we are still not sure if you are going D2D or W2W between the Viper and the DB-ALL2. This is important
info that will aid the forum members to help you.

Not sure of the error you are getting when you try to enter Reservation Mode but please review the above listed
MTS requirements.
1. Are you in Tach Mode with the Tach signal learned?
2. Is the EBrake signal from the DB-ALL2 getting to the Viper Neutral Safety input?
3. Are the Door triggers getting from the DB-ALL2 to the Viper?

These are things that must be setup and working correctly prior to going into reservation mode. I would suggest
that if you have any concerns, that you bring the FJ into a 12 Professional shop and have them finish this job.

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Thank you. I should have mentioned that I am using D2D mode. The ebrake, brake and door triggers work properly ( the first two will turn the remote start off and the second one activates the alarm, if the doors are locked and opened from inside).

I have shopped/ called and in my city, there is only one shop that would have done the job with T-taps but I like the wires to be soldered; hence, why I am attempting this job by myself.

• Remote start MTS mode failure
The remote emits a failure notification when trying to enable the manual transmission
mode or the vehicle fails to stay remote started when the key is turned off.
Possible causes are:
• Hood Open (gray wire).
• Foot Brake active (brown wire).
• No Parking Brake input, BLACK/ white neutral safety wire not showing ground with parking brake set.
• Tachometer is not hooked up or programmed.
• The unit has not been programmed for tachometer mode
• Toggle switch not installed or not in the ON position.

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Thank you Kreg very much for your informative responses. I decided to give this a break and come back to it. Today I re-investigated my system. For future users, it turns out that somehow the virtual tach mode was enabled. Once I corrected that to Tachometer, and reset the system's tach learning, the manual transmission mode was enabled.

The way to enable the manual transmission mode is to have the vehicle running, engage the foot brake, put the gear in neutral, engage the e-brake, release the foot brake, press the remote start, it should flashes 5 times, take your key out of ignition, open and close driver's door, engaged the lock and turn off the vehicle or turn off the vehicle or engage the lock. The manual transmission mode enable symbol ( a stick) will turn on your remote.

Tada! Done!