Printer Friendly Forum Posts - Scytek Galaxy 5000RS-2W alarm problem

Hi, installed Galaxy 5000RS-2W alarm system in to a Volkswagen Amarok 2012 vehicle. All working perfect apart from remote start... Any time i hold remote start button, on pager display i`m getting message OFF, no siren chirps or light indicators. If programmed to TURBO TIMER engine runs without key no probs, but won`t do remote start in any way. Please help!!

Did you install a transponder bypass with a Sacrificial Key using a 556UW or similar bypass module that takes a vehicle key inside.

lurch228 wrote:

Did you install a transponder bypass with a Sacrificial Key using a 556UW or similar bypass module that takes a vehicle key inside.

not yet, i attached transponder chip to the column from a spare key, just for a test. But remote start doesn`t go that far, or should i say doesn`t do anything at all

I'm seeing a brake bypass listed , Do you have to apply the footbrake to start with the key on your vehicle?

Please list all the wires you have connected to the vehicle and the corresponding Scytek wires they are connected too!

If you hardwired to vehicle and didn't use any kind of interface bypass.

This is for reference for some of wires that need to be connected to vehicle!
*Make this connections only for vehicles with Automatic Transmission
Footbrake Bypass* (only when the engine does not start without brake)

**Make this connections only for vehicles with Manual Transmission
posted_image

Amarok (-) Hazzard A Plug-Pin 28 BROWN / Black
       (+) Brake* A Plug-Pin 43 BLACK/ Gray
       (-) Key Lock (for type 3C) A Plug-Pin 24 BROWN / Blue
       (-) Central Lock (for type 4C) A Plug- Pin 25 BROWN / Red
*Connect this wire only when the engine does not start without brake.

forgot to mention my vehicle has manual transmission, same type Scytek alarm was installed. When starting my car i don`t need to press brake pedal or anything else... Wires connected from main harness: +, -, ignition, brake input to brake pedal, tacho, door trigger, hood, siren. Remote start harness: 2 x constant +12v wires, 2 x separate ignition wires, starter, accessory. And from 2 pin white connector on side: parking brake wire connected to hand brake, blue to a turbo timer bypass switch.

As mentioned before if system is programmed for turbo charged option, then with applied hand brake i can switch off ignition, take out keys and engine will be running for 2 minutes as suppose to, or can be canceled any time hand brake released or remote engine start button pressed. That indicates all remote starting harness connected correctly. But that`s where everything ends, as no luck with remote engine start with bypass button if programmed to turbo charge option, or with it disabled.

Also Scytek lists the following:

These Wires Must be connected :
Tachometer input
Emergency Brake (for auto trans ground to chassis)
Door Trigger

Starter harness:
Violet Starter Output      "To vehicle Ignition switch wires"
Yellow Ignition 1 Output   "To vehicle Ignition switch wires"
Orange Accessory Output    "To vehicle Ignition switch wires"

Brown Ignition 2 Output    Not used on vehicles that don't need or have 2nd "IGN"
Red +12V Battery Input #1 "+12v constant battery"
Red +12V Battery Input #2 "+12v constant battery"
>Split the Battery inputs to different sources of equal or larger size wire if available.

And you got the?= Must Install System Made For Manual Transmission Model # 5000RS-M-DBP

So you upgrade to a Alarm R/S combo unit from a Alarm only?

You have properly installed a Clutch bypass relay and tested it to work?

Followed the Starter Ready Mode to prepare for R/S next time you want to Start the vehicle remotely below.

Remote Starting
With engine running and Hand-brake engaged put the vehicle transmission in neutral and remove the foot
from the brake pedal, press the remote start button on your transmitter, parking lights will flash twice
indicating Manual Start Mode is enabled, turn off the Ignition switch, the engine will remain running. Open
and close the door, the system will shut the engine Off. Using the remote Control, Arm/Lock the vehicle.
Vehicle is now ready for remote start operation.
Starter Ready Mode is canceled any time the door is opened; hand brake is released or any
other error condition.

yes mine is made for manual transmission, it says on the packaging box and main module box as well. Two separate ignition wires connected, as my car equipped with 2. Accordingly brown ignition 2 is programmed as such. Really lost here, what is missing for remote start:/ By owners manual when button 4 pressed for couple seconds should do it, but i`m keep getting message ,,OFF,,

You have to follow the Remote Starting sequence every time you leave the vehicle to start it the next time for a Manual Trans.

That's why they have to identical models 1 for Auto and 1 for Manual.

lurch228 wrote:

You have to follow the Remote Starting sequence every time you leave the vehicle to start it the next time for a Manual Trans.

That's why they have to identical models 1 for Auto and 1 for Manual.

but none of sequence works for remote start, no matter what i tried could not get it to start remotely even once

Have you gone thru all the settings and selected RPM Learn/Tach Monitor to "Diesel" First before learning TACH?

Then Programmed the TACH.

RPM Learn/Tach Monitor. start the engine, enter Branch 21, the LED light will flash continuasly to
indicate it is reading the tach signal. Press Button 1 to learn the vehicle’s tach signal. The siren will
chirp and the LED will flash once to confirm learning of the tach signal. The siren will chirp four
times and the LED will flash four times if the tach signal was not learned.

If tach is not learned then it won't work.

If all the above are correct and remote still says off after doing the Ready mode prior to getting out of the vehicle,then you either did the sequence wrong or there is a wire missing or wired wrong.

This is required to bypass the turbo timer to enable R/S before getting out of vehicle.

Turbo Timer cancel input for Manual transmission systems in Turbo Timer mode.
(this feature allows the the turbo timer feature to be temporarilly canceled for remote start applications on manual
transmission vehicles) A seperate push button switch wired to GROUND is needed.

With turbo timer enable you need to follow the sequence below!

To temporarily bypass the turbo timer in order to perform the remote start procedure for manual transmissions:
With the engine running, apply the parking brake then push the remote start button on transmitter, lights will flash
twice. Turn off the ignition, the engine will stay running. Now push and release the button on the push switch, the
siren will chirp once. The Turbo Timer feature is now canceled. Open and close the door, engine will shut down.
Vehicle is now ready for remote start.

Verify that proper door trigger is hooked up and works properly! (should set of alarm when door is opened while alarm is armed)
1. Tach set to diesel
2. Tach learned
3. Ready mode set (following the turbo timer bypass above.)
4. 1.Attempt to R/S, 2.Ign. should come on, if clutch is bypassed properly the engine will crank after 15 sec time out if no wait to start wire is hooked up.

lurch228 wrote:

Verify that proper door trigger is hooked up and works properly! (should set of alarm when door is opened while alarm is armed)
1. Tach set to diesel
2. Tach learned
3. Ready mode set (following the turbo timer bypass above.)
4. 1.Attempt to R/S, 2.Ign. should come on, if clutch is bypassed properly the engine will crank after 15 sec time out if no wait to start wire is hooked up.

think we are getting somewhere... i misunderstood tacho part, simply programmed it to option 3 which is diesel. Tried to do ,,learn tacho,, option without a luck:/ Gives 4 beeps, that means alarm doesn`t see it. The wire i used is white with pink stripe, that is located behind cluster. i found it on some forum, but think it`s not the one... i need to find out correct somehow, don`t have any wiring diagram or anything so deep forest here:/

With DMM Probe to chassis ground test on low voltage setting Either AC or DC depending on you meter. Voltage Reading will change with RPM.

lurch228 wrote:

With DMM Probe to chassis ground test on low voltage setting Either AC or DC depending on you meter. Voltage Reading will change with RPM.

same location behind the cluster?

Any suspect Tach wire

lurch228 wrote:

Any suspect Tach wire

will try harness behind cluster, otherwise no idea where to look for it, thousands of wires....

PLEASE if anyone has any info or schematic which wire is tacho on vw amarok vehicle and where can it be found, share your info. Thanks in advance!!

Already answered OP elsewhere, from experience.
Spare key in 556U required. WON'T work with just chip applies also to BMW.
The only way to get tach in ANY VW diesel after 03 is to use a DB-ALL2.

-------------
Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

If howie II says no tach with out DBALL2 then you either need to use Branch Feature 23. To Smart Sense Mode and 21. Tachless mode by setting the Crank Time to Normal. Or get a DBALL2.

Been there done that, tried the inductive tach unit (464?) all failed you can only get it via the CAN system and a DB-ALL2.
There's also Sailes Marketing and Connects 2 offering CAN conversion units in UK/Ireland but they're more expensive than a DB-ALL2 and don't offer the features. With a 556U and a DB-ALL2 this install is really easy.

-------------
Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

I also did an add on alarm Viper 3001 type that works off the CAN system, siren, power, ground, indicators (haz) and CAN, job done.
Also if I remember you don't have to search around to find those connections as shown in the generic VW diagram on page 1 of this thread, they're on plugs to the left of the steering column (R/H/drive).

-------------
Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

and anyone knows location and colours for the indicator wires? Have everything hoocked up to headlight at the moment but i find it not practical

BLACK/ green right and BLACK/ white left, steering column loom, ever heard of testing?
You've really put yourself between a rock and a hard place by not using a DB-ALL2, not too sure whether you're being deliberately stubborn or just not listening.

-------------
Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

howie ll wrote:

BLACK/ green right and BLACK/ white left, steering column loom, ever heard of testing?
You've really put yourself between a rock and a hard place by not using a DB-ALL2, not too sure whether you're being deliberately stubborn or just not listening.

thanks for info on wires, makes life easier when someone figured out them before or has schematic. About DB-ALL2 don`t see any point yet, since there is person in australia who made a simple cheap tacho signal generator pcb, that with ignition on gives alarm a proper tacho signal to learn it. Parts cost only around $2, so will try it first once schematic and parts received. Regards using 556U confusing as friend of mine has transponder glued on 09 vw passat and remote start works without any issues

The DB-All2 gives you lock and unlock, door triggers, tacho possible window closure etc. Not worth using it?

-------------
Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

howie ll wrote:

The DB-All2 gives you lock and unlock, door triggers, tacho possible window closure etc. Not worth using it?

don`t get me wrong, not saying not worth just want to prove to myself that can finish setup building small things myself.

P.S i don`t have any issues with door lock/unlock - works like it should, just need tacho wire

Then wait for what you mentioned.

-------------
Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

update: tacho signal was sorted by this small gadget

posted_image

was recommended if i don`t have spare resistors, transistors, etc... lying around, then buy a built one. Cost only 2.60 euro. Car learned tacho signal first time connected! Next took out transponder out of key, glued to immobilizer ring and as expected remote tart works like a charm! Hope this will be very useful info for all Amarok owners, and probably any VW vehicles as they should be same build

Nice to see you succeeded, do you have a link to the selling site?

-------------
Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

forgot to ask if anyone knows location and wire colour for trigger on all doors? Noticed that i have only drivers door connected, which leaves other doors free to open without activating alarm. Thanks

howie ll wrote:

Nice to see you succeeded, do you have a link to the selling site?

got it in a local shop, but quick look up on ebay shows them as well

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/5V-15V-NE555-square-wave-output-module-oscillator-pulse-generator-signal-source-/331859693768?var=&hash=item4d446110c8:m:m_oE581WCi3HFBm5z3sKSGw

Thanks, since you refuse to use the DB-ALL 2 you'll have to go to each door and diode them together or use the courtesy (Dome) light switched feed, I.e. the wire that goes to ground when any door is opened.

-------------
Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

howie ll wrote:

Thanks, since you refuse to use the DB-ALL 2 you'll have to go to each door and diode them together or use the courtesy (Dome) light switched feed, I.e. the wire that goes to ground when any door is opened.

yes dome was in my mind, but as last option as longer way to go with wire. Thought there is something closer to fuses/relays, cause any door opened i can hear relay clicking every time. Very hard or nearly impossible to test wiring loom down there:/

don`t see any point buying that DB-ALL 2 thing, unless who is looking for shortcuts

Not a short cut it saves lots of time and gets the job done properly.

-------------
Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

yes maybe i spent more time, but now when i know how to get tacho signal, don`t see any difference in functionality works as it should and way less money

About 3 hours extra labour, if you were a pro you'd price yourself out of business.
Still from your point of view you get the satisfaction.

-------------
Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

howie ll wrote:

About 3 hours extra labour, if you were a pro you'd price yourself out of business.
Still from your point of view you get the satisfaction.

for business probably different, thought if you exclude cost of DB-ALL 2 then can do extra time no:) ? Anyway this was a personal one time installation and hope info will be useful for others

question on all door trigger wire is stil there if anyone has info. As logical thinking leads to simple electronics, if relay activates every time any door is opened that means relay needs 12 volts to engage. Thanks in advance

It's a NEG trigger from each door to the BCM thence the relay you can hear the to the dome. You'll need a wiring diagram, I very much doubt if anyone in N. America has ever heard of the Amorak.
Try the dome light first and by the way at current rates that three hours of labour in the UK would be a minimum of £180, a DB-ALL2 costs under £50 trade.
Not rocket science; ever heard of the KISS principle?

-------------
Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

i`m in Ireland:) if labour costs £60 an hour in your placee, then how much you charge for installing whole alarm system?? Here in garages lads asking 120 to 150 euros. i found it too much and decided to install myself... If i had tacho work around straight away it would take me 4 hours max for full installation, and that`s not being professional alarm guy.

That's as a one man band, garage charges are the same here around £180 an hour.

-------------
Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.