1991 towncar alarm
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: June 11, 2024 at 9:58 AM
Topic: 1991 towncar alarm
Posted By: prdjr165
Subject: 1991 towncar alarm
Date Posted: January 17, 2004 at 3:33 PM
I cannot find the factoury security wire for this car,The printouts I have say it's a dark GREEN/ purple wire in dr kick panel or the alarm module.I can't see any dark GREEN/ purple wire in either kick panel or the alarm module.Any help would be appreciated!!
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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: January 17, 2004 at 5:20 PM
Look for the wire at the factory alarm module located in lower passenger side kick panel as well as the dirver's kick panel.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: January 17, 2004 at 7:16 PM
I did and still no dk grn/purple.........
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: January 17, 2004 at 7:17 PM
prdjr165 wrote:
I cannot find the factory security wire for this car,The printouts I have say it's a dark GREEN/ purple wire in dr kick panel or the alarm module.I can't see any dark GREEN/ purple wire in either kick panel or the alarm module.Any help would be appreciated!!
Posted By: bmf1000d
Date Posted: January 17, 2004 at 7:26 PM
ITs not a Executive or Signature is it?
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"Big" Mike
Double Take
Fremont, Ne
remember to check all your wires with a dmm not a test light!!
i take no responsibilty whatsoever for the vailidty of the info nor consequences thereof
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: January 17, 2004 at 9:39 PM
I don't think so,I am getting the car back in the morning.What difference doe's the executive or signature have?
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: January 17, 2004 at 11:29 PM
If all else fails, it will be in the driver's door boot. The wire should show 12 volts at rest and go to 0 when the key is turned to the unlock position.
Posted By: bmf1000d
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 1:44 AM
the wiring is a bit diffrent for the exec and sig. yes at least the wiring should be in the boot for the disarm. The bundle of wires that it should be in runs up and behind the e brake. As soon as it comes in from the door it goes up and over behind the e brake.
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"Big" Mike
Double Take
Fremont, Ne
remember to check all your wires with a dmm not a test light!!
i take no responsibilty whatsoever for the vailidty of the info nor consequences thereof
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 9:47 AM
alright,I have found the wire in the dr door boot,It is pos. and goe's to ground when the key is turned to unlock the dr. door.I hooked my fact. disarm wire to this wire and the car still won't stay running!It will start and run for a second then turn off.I am at my witts end with this one!
Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 10:03 AM
So whats going on here? You never mentioned anything except that you wanted to know where the disarm wire is. Now you say that your car wont stay running. For all we know it could be out of gas.
You mention a factory alarm disarm wire so I assume you have installed a remote starter and that is what wont stay running. Lets hope the key starts the car and keeps it running or you have a bigger problem.
Ok so my guess is that you dont have the tach wire hooked up from the RS.
If you can provide more information surrounding your problem then I am sure someone will be able to help out. If it is a RS, then what Brand and Model? ARe you trying to use it in tachless mode?
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J Rilla
Owner/Installer
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 10:28 AM
it is a crimestopper 900 remote start.i have it hooked up tachless,it runs with the key,I have installed many of these and I have never had this problem before!I know i have the right disarm wire because the security light on the dash goes out when that wire is negetive pulsed.
Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 10:58 AM
Assuming the unit is installed correctly, the problem is that tachless mode is not working, so you need to hook up the tach wire.
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J Rilla
Owner/Installer
Posted By: bmf1000d
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 11:01 AM
Try to run the RS in tach mode the tach monitor may not be picking up the correct voltage from the tachless. Now when it runs and t5hen shuts it self off does the service engine light flash?
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"Big" Mike
Double Take
Fremont, Ne
remember to check all your wires with a dmm not a test light!!
i take no responsibilty whatsoever for the vailidty of the info nor consequences thereof
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 11:08 AM
I will try the tach method,the service engine light doe'snt come on when the engine shut's off.
Posted By: bmf1000d
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 11:11 AM
Ok i would go with the tach mode then. If the service engine light would flash when it was trying to start you would have to find another factory disarm.
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"Big" Mike
Double Take
Fremont, Ne
remember to check all your wires with a dmm not a test light!!
i take no responsibilty whatsoever for the vailidty of the info nor consequences thereof
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 12:47 PM
I hooked up the tach wire and it still didn't stay running,What I found is if I hit the unlock button on the remote the car will start but at a higher than normal idle,it will run for about 60 secnds then shut down,The unit restarts the car (up to 3 attemps on these models)and it's at normal idle and it stays running for the programed time.
Posted By: Teken
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 12:54 PM
What you have discribe here sounds like the proper tach RPM has not been recorded into the RS module.
I would relearn the tach RPM, once the vehicle is fully warm, and in gear to drop the RPM to a nominal level.
Regarding the tachless mode. If the RS is not wired directly to the battery for both power supplies. The voltage rise it expects to see, may not be recorded and thus the unit will not operate as expected.
Regards
EVIL Teken . . .
Posted By: Teken
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 1:11 PM
prdjr165 wrote:
alright,I have found the wire in the dr door boot,It is pos. and goe's to ground when the key is turned to unlock the dr. door.I hooked my fact. disarm wire to this wire
Why would you do this???
I hope you also connected the ORANGE / BLACK (-) wire coming off of the RS-900 unit, to the OEM disarm wire which you have already indicated as finding.
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 1:49 PM
The factory dis-arm wire is ORANGE / black!The car still doe's not start and stay running,I give up!
Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 2:12 PM
Did you just hook up the tach wire, or did you program the tach too?
Do you have all necessary Ignition and accessory wires hooked up?
Ign 1 BROWN / Pink
Ign 2 Pink/Black
Acc 1 BLACK/ Lt.Green
I guess I am a litle confused becasue you said above that if you unlock the doors that the car will start and idle high, then after 60 seconds will shut down, then the unit will attempty to restart again and stay running? Is that right: it will stay running, but only after it has shut down once or twice first, and only if you unlock the doors first?
ANy further deatiled information would be helpful.
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J Rilla
Owner/Installer
Posted By: Teken
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 2:16 PM
prdjr165 wrote:
The factory dis-arm wire is ORANGE / black!The car still doe's not start and stay running,I give up!
I'm sorry you didnt read what I wrote. I indicated that there IS a ORANGE / BLACK wire from the RS-900 which is used to send a (-) ground pulse to the OEM wire.
So as you are able to disable the OEM alarm, while RSing the unit upon activation.
Regards
EVIL Teken . . .
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 4:05 PM
Teken] wrote:
prdjr165 wrote:
The factory dis-arm wire is ORANGE / black!The car still doe's not start and stay running,I give up!
I'm sorry you didnt read what I wrote. I indicated that there IS a ORANGE / BLACK wire from the RS-900 which is used to send a (-) ground pulse to the OEM wire.
So as you are able to disable the OEM alarm, while RSing the unit upon activation.
Regards
EVIL Teken . . .
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 4:08 PM
TEKEN..I read what you wrote!you should read what I wrote!I hooked up thr or/blk wire to the cars oem disarm wire(dk grn/prpl)still no good!
Posted By: Teken
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 5:30 PM
Are you 100% sure this is the correct OEM disarm wire?
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 8:43 PM
Prdjr, I'd suggest not worrying about the fact. disarm. The only thing that a factory antitheft would do on that car would be to interrupt the starter and honk the horn when the ignition was turned on. It sounds to me like there's a problem with the tach or voltage sense (I had this '97 Crown Vic in today that would only stay running for 3 minutes in tach mode - strangest thing I've seen in a while). Have you tried remote starting with engine checking off altogether, or with a low sensitivity? I've never done a crimestopper, so those may not be options, but it's definitely not going to be a prob. with the factory alarm not disarming.
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: January 18, 2004 at 9:37 PM
I am 100% sure because like I said before the anti-theft light will go out when I neg. pulse this wire.In the owners manual it states that the factory theft system monitors the ignition switch for 3 minutes after the theft system is armed.I'm going to try and get the car back next weekend and mess with it again,I think I should just start from scratch.
Posted By: prdjr165
Date Posted: February 07, 2004 at 7:02 PM
I finally found the problem..The remote start unit is a new version so the tach programing was changed,I was doing it the old way which was not working.Once I programed it the new way it workes great!!
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